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Hi All, Please provide any info you can offer. I've had this pistol since the late '60s. It's serial number is 5169XX, which per Colt SN Lookup website puts it manufactured in 1918. Thanks in advance. Mark
 

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Isn’t the HP cartouche on the barrel indicate High Standard? If it is then the barrel is a replacement.
 
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Yes, the HS mark on the lug is for WWII vintage High Standard barrel.

Colt is a late 1918 early 1919 that has been through a later rebuild. Slide is early 1911 without the 1913 patent date which was added about mid 1914.
 

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Slide was produced in 1913 and should be furnace blued "Fine Finish". Receiver produced late in 1918 should be "Rough Finish" (Black Army). Both appear to have been Parkerized at some time. Were that not so, slide and receiver finishes would appear markedly different. The slide stop and safety lock have also been parkerized. There is an anomaly about the receiver that I can't explain: "united states property" wasn't placed above the SN on the right side until about 590,000. Your guns SN is +/- 516,000. Stocks are WW2 Coltwood type as is High Standard barrel. Magazine is yet another puzzle. Lanyard loop magazines weren't produced after SN 125,000. Much as I hate to admit it there are far more knowledgeable members here than I purport to be and I would love to know how the property mark might have migrated to the right side of the receiver well before its time. Otherwise I would just describe the gun as an interesting,and inexplicable, hodgepodge. If only it could tell us where its been.
 

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Slide was produced in 1913 and should be furnace blued "Fine Finish". Receiver produced late in 1918 should be "Rough Finish" (Black Army). Both appear to have been Parkerized at some time. Were that not so, slide and receiver finishes would appear markedly different. The slide stop and safety lock have also been parkerized. There is an anomaly about the receiver that I can't explain: "united states property" wasn't placed above the SN on the right side until about 590,000. Your guns SN is +/- 516,000. Stocks are WW2 Coltwood type as is High Standard barrel. Magazine is yet another puzzle. Lanyard loop magazines weren't produced after SN 125,000. Much as I hate to admit it there are far more knowledgeable members here than I purport to be and I would love to know how the property mark might have migrated to the right side of the receiver well before its time. Otherwise I would just describe the gun as an interesting,and inexplicable, hodgepodge. If only it could tell us where its been.
I am no expert by no means but how can you tell the slide was made in 1913 instead of 1911,1912? so I can make note, thanks
 
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The USP on the later Model 1911 pistols was moved from the left side of the receiver to the right side above the serial number in the 500000/510000 serial number range.
 

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The USP on the later Model 1911 pistols was moved from the left side of the receiver to the right side above the serial number in the 500000/510000 serial number range.
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I am no expert by no means but how can you tell the slide was made in 1913 instead of 1911,1912? so I can make note, thanks
Rear sight changed from Type A, round top, to Type B, flat top between Jan. 1913 and August 1913. Last Patent date of 1911 changed to 1913 in August 1913. Follows that slide with last Patent date of 1911 and Type B rear sight can only have been produced in 1913. It is of course possible that Colt discovered some unused last Patent date 1911 slides laying around years later, slapped Type B rear sights on them and serialized them. Anything was possible at a company that never threw away anything.

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Rear sight changed from Type A, round top, to Type B, flat top between Jan. 1913 and August 1913. Last Patent date of 1911 changed to 1913 in August 1913. Follows that slide with last Patent date of 1911 and Type B rear sight can only have been produced in 1913. It is of course possible that Colt discovered some unused last Patent date 1911 slides laying around years later, slapped Type B rear sights on them and serialized them. Anything was possible at a company that never threw away anything.

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another thing that could have happen, damaged rear sight when it went for rearsenal they replaced it?
 

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I am no expert by no means but how can you tell the slide was made in 1913 instead of 1911,1912? so I can make note, thanks
hvac,

Some pictures:

1. 1912 manufactured Slide (this is on No. 38XX). Used into (very) early 1913. There is a different (earlier) 1911/12 manufactured Slide used to about No. 83.

2. 1914 manufactured Slide (this is on No 712XX). (BarbarianCBX, It looks like the Slide on your 1918.)

3. 1914 manufactured Slide (this is on No 887XX). It has the 1913 patent.

4. 1918 manufactured Slide (this is on No 5522XX). (BarbarianCBX, There are several variations of 1918 manufactured Slides,...most likely, this is the type that shipped on your Pistol.)

5. 1918 manufactured Slide (this is on No 5522XX). The right side.

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1912 M1911 Colt c 007-2.jpg


Colt M1911 1914 1917 005-2.jpg


1914 No887XX 095-3.jpg


OLD pls 1913 1918 2947-2.jpg


OLD pls 1913 1918 2961-3-2 (2).jpg
 

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Hi JohnnyP, I relied on J.C. Harrisons Collectors Field Guide, Vol. 4, p.45 for the following: "the United States Property" mark was moved to the right side of the frame above the serial number at about S/N 590,000 or slightly earlier.". After seeing your post I see that Clawsons Third Edition, p. 19 states, "This change was implemented between serial numbers 500000 and 510000.........". Poyer, @ p. 275 says, "At circa serial #510,001....the marking was moved to the right side of the receiver.......". After wishing I hadn't been so quick with the lip, I think that you and Clawson are correct, (What a surprise!). There is a picture on the Clawson page cited above of a right side UPS receiver. SN is 556757, well before "SN 590,000 or slightly earlier". I stand corrected.
 

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Great info, much appreciated. Next question, what's my mutt (LOL) worth? I wouldn't sell it, just curious.
 

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Harrison plagarized Clawson, and still didn't get it right, but he did hit a price point that would be paid, when balking at a copy of Clawson's work.
 
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