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New Service .44-40 3 inch 1909 transitional model (new photos)

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Just got my cut down New Service I bought via GunBroker today.
The gun has been quite nicely refinished and very well cut down. I'm very impressed with how nice it looks. However, unfortunately the gun has some timing issues and is not as tight as a Colt should be. I think I want to get it to a professional to have it tuned. I'm just hoping it's not too worn out to have that done. It seems that the hand is just a little too worn to lift enough when cocked slowly to fully lock the cylinder. But also the bolt drops a little too late and seems to throwby on one of the chambers if cocked too quickly or pulled too quickly in DA.
Compared to my other Colts it's quite loose. My other New Service locks up like a bank vault when you pull the trigger with NO movement of the cylinder whatsoever. This one is still kind of loose. There is also more endshake but I don't know how much endshake is considered unacceptable. It shakes more than my other NS but it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Also note that this is an old style frame with the newer style lockwork. It has the hammer block inside. Wyatt Burp told me he thinks only a couple thousand of this type were made. This one is serial number 21873.

Anyhow, any comments or suggestions are much appreciated!



Here's some new pics:




Note the blue on the hammer top. This is also on the back with polished sides. Not fire blue like Colt used to do but still very nice. The trigger is the same way:



The crowning and front sight placement seem to be very well done.




Comparison shot with my 1903 New Service in .45 Colt. Note the difference in sight hieght:



Comparison of the top straps. Note the differences:



Note the differences in the style of hammers:



Finally here's the comparison of the internals viewed with the hammer cocked. Note the 1903 has no hammer block safety but the 1909 does:

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Nice gun and my favorite caliber too!:D
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Wow...very nice looking Colt! I hope it ends up working to your satisfaction.
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This is from a very indepth Chuck Karwan article on New Services. Here's the short part on so called "transitional models". I never heard of them before reading this but whatever they are, that's what Twaits just got if this article is right. His gun is right in the middle, serial number wise.. Anyone else know about the 2000 transitional models?
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Wyatt,

Thanks for posting this. Very interesting stuff. Another difference I noticed between my 1903 New Service and this newer one from 1909 is the firing pins. On the '03 it is part of the hammer but the '09 has a pinned firing pin. The topstrap is also a little different.
Tomorrow I will post pics of the two side by side to note the differences.
Nice gun and my favorite caliber too!:D
Twaits, nice firearm looks like it would be a fun gun.
Hey Kid, Not that I disagree with your favorite caliber I was just wondering what your attraction to it is. Mine is 45 Colt and the attraction is it's relationship to the SAA. Do you shoot rifles as well as handguns in 44-40 (44 WCF)? Not trying to hijack the thread.
Twaits, nice firearm looks like it would be a fun gun.
Hey Kid, Not that I disagree with your favorite caliber I was just wondering what your attraction to it is. Mine is 45 Colt and the attraction is it's relationship to the SAA. Do you shoot rifles as well as handguns in 44-40 (44 WCF)? Not trying to hijack the thread.

Yes I do, and Since nobody made a 45 Colt Rifle until many years later, it's the perfect companion to my SAA's in 44-40, 1860 Henry, 1873, Winchester 1892 SRC and Marlin 1894 all chambered in 44-40.
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twaits,

That's a seriously good-looking gun! I see why you bought it. Hope it works out for you and thanks for the post,

Jerry
Regardless of the mech. issues, that gun looks really good. I'm curious if anyone else out there can chime in on this "transitional" thing. That same long article also mentions firing pin and frame contour date changes. I'll check it out. But it looks like you have a shootable example of a scarce variation that looks old like you prefer, but has the hammer block so you can pack it fully loaded.. I can't carry a gun legally out here. Only the cops, criminals, and friends of politicians get that priviledge.
Very nice Twaits!
I have recently become enamoured of New Services. I think I am going to have to get one eventually.
Congratulations for a beautiful acquisition.
Regardless of the mech. issues, that gun looks really good. I'm curious if anyone else out there can chime in on this "transitional" thing. That same long article also mentions firing pin and frame contour date changes. I'll check it out. But it looks like you have a shootable example of a scarce variation that looks old like you prefer, but has the hammer block so you can pack it fully loaded.. I can't carry a gun legally out here. Only the cops, criminals, and friends of politicians get that priviledge.
When you say "out here" do you mean Kalifornia?
When you say "out here" do you mean Kalifornia?
Yeah. I'm like ann Frank, e-mailing from my secret hideout in my attic, in mortal fear of Nazi Pelosi's jack booted thugs to kick in the door at any time. The gay gestapo's bloodhounds are trained to smell Hoppes gun solvent.
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twaits, Boy the new pictures are great I really like it. You sure pick some neat guns.
Yeah. I'm like ann Frank, e-mailing from my secret hideout in my attic, in mortal fear of Nazi Pelosi's jack booted thugs to kick in the door at any time. The gay gestapo's bloodhounds are trained to smell Hoppes gun solvent.
Perhaps it's time for a move to Nevada. I don't know how you guys deal with it out there. Last time I checked the BATFs state by state laws Kalifornia had something like 70 pages! Maines got two pages I think.
And theres another state that has a half a page. Probably Vermont.
Perhaps it's time for a move to Nevada. I don't know how you guys deal with it out there. Last time I checked the BATFs state by state laws Kalifornia had something like 70 pages! Maines got two pages I think.
And theres another state that has a half a page. Probably Vermont.
My brother lives in Carson City. When I gave him a handgun there he filled out the transfer and took it home. He lives two miles from the legal cathouses. He can gamble down the street and drink all night long. He doesn't tho 'cause he can't afford it. We're thinking about moving there.
One more question for the people out there. Do you think these grips will crack or break if I shoot it? They are in really nice shape with no cracks anywhere. I could get aftermarket replacements for shooting I suppose but if I just stick with very mild loads do you think the grips will be okay?
Whenever there is any doubt . . .

there is no doubt.

I'd get a repro pair for shooting.

Nice revolver, by the way.
One more question for the people out there. Do you think these grips will crack or break if I shoot it? They are in really nice shape with no cracks anywhere. I could get aftermarket replacements for shooting I suppose but if I just stick with very mild loads do you think the grips will be okay?
Those hard rubbers on my snub NS are repros. They are excellent and come with a screw. $45 or so I think. I believe they are GunGrip grips.
Very nice Colt twaits!
As for the Colt action. Send it to Dave Sams. If he could save my Colt 1917, he can surely save your Colt!
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