[victorio1sw]

Used, Tired, and Somewhat Abused, this old piece was once in the hands of Company K, 9th Cavalry. According to Government acceptance records, this gun #111066 was created Nov 1864, near the end of the Civil War. That number appears under the barrel, on the frame, on the trigger guard, and even on the grips. The latter three numbers require disassembly to observe.

The cartouche borders are still faintly visible on the lower left grip. The 3-line barrel address is about as bold as these get, with the mid-section typically weaker. Remington and Government inspector’s marks are found in all of the expected places. The mechanism functions properly, and the bore is an amazing 9.5 on a 1 to 10 scale.

I know of three more of these “Co K 9th Cav” marked guns. One was sold by Collectors Firearms years ago. Charles Pate also shared pictures and info on two more with me.

Of course, the 9th Cavalry was a Black Regiment formed in 1867. They were transferred all over the Western USA, mainly to confront Indian problems. Most likely these Remington’s remained as their primary revolver until finally being replaced with Colt SAA’s as late as 1876.

A period regulation flap holster is also shown here. It bears the impressions left by a Remington New Model Army.

 

[victorio1sw]

WELL, WHAT DID THE 9th CAVALRY DO?

Actions With Indians 9th Cavalry (Any other accompanying units left out for brevity):

1867

1 Oct 1867 – Howard’s Well, Texas. Corp. S. Wright, Detachment Troop D, 9th Cav, 2 (soldiers) killed.

5 Dec 1867 – Eagle Springs, Texas. Detachment Troop F 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) killed.

26 Dec 1867 – Fort Lancaster, Texas. Capt. W. H. Frohock, Detachment Troop K 9th Cav, 3 (soldiers) killed, 20 Indians killed, 11 Indians wounded.

1868

6 Aug 1868 – Fort Quitman, Texas. Troop H 9th Cav.

14 Sept 1868 – Horse Head Hills, Texas. Lt. P. Cusack, Detachments Troops C, F, & K 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) wounded, 25 Indians killed, 25 Indians wounded.

1869

7 June 1869 – Pecos River, Texas. Col. R. S. MacKenzie, Detachments Troops G, L, and M 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) Killed, 2 Indians killed.

16 Sept 1869 – Salt Fork of Brazos River, Texas. Capt. H. Carroll, Troops B, E, F, & M 9th Cav, 3 (soldiers) wounded.

20 to 21 Sept 1869 – Brazos River, Texas. Capt. H. Carroll, Detachments Troops B & E, 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) wounded.

28 to 29 Oct 1869 – Headwaters of Brazos River, Texas. Capt. J. M. Bacon, Troops B, E, F, G, L, & M 9th Cav, Indian Scouts, 8 (soldiers) wounded, 50 Indians killed, 7 Indians captured.

20 Nov 1869 – Headwaters of Llano River, Texas. Capt. E. M. Heyl, Detachments Troops F & M 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) wounded, 1 Indian killed.

25 Dec 1869 – Johnson’s Mail Station, Texas (N.C.O.). Detachment Troop E 9th Cav.

1870

3 Jan to 6 Feb 1870 – Rio Grande and Pecos, Texas. Capt. J. M. Bacon, Troop G 9th Cav.

6 Jan 1870 – Guadalupe Mountains, Texas. Troop H 9th Cav.

11 Jan 1870 – Lower Pecos River, Texas. Lt. C. Parker, Troop L 9th Cav, 1 Indian killed.

20 Jan 1870 – Delaware Creek, Texas. Capt. F. S. Dodge, Detachments Troops C, D, I, & K 9th Cav, 2 (soldiers) wounded.

3 April 1870 – San Martine Springs, Texas (N.C.O.). Detachment Troop H 9th Cav, 1 Indian killed.

25 April 1870 – Crow Springs, Texas. Maj. A. P. Morrow, Detachments Troops C & K 9th Cav.

19 to 20 May 1870 – Kickapoo Springs, Texas. Sgt. E. Stance, Detachment Troop F 9th Cav, 4 Indians wounded.

29 May 1870 – Bass Canyon, Texas. Lt. I. W. Trask, Troop I 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) killed.

1871

30 June 1871 – Staked Plains Texas. Lt Col. W. R. Shafter, Detachment 9th Cav, 1 Indian captured.

22 July 1871 – Headwaters of Concho River. Detachment Troop F 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) wounded.

31 July 1871 – McKavett, Texas. Capt. F. M. Crandall: Detachment Troop M 9th Cav, 1 Indian killed.

1 Sept 1871 – Fort McKavett. Capt. J. W. Clous, Detachment 9th Cav. No other notes.

1872

20 April 1872 – Howard’s Mills, Texas. Capt. M. Cooney, Troops A & H 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) wounded, 6 Indians killed.

20 May 1872 – La Pendencia, Texas. Lt. G. Valois, Detachment 9th Cav Indian Scouts.

1873

None.

1874

Month of Oct 1874 – Canadian River, Texas. Capt. A. E. Hooker, Troops E & K, 9th Cav, 1 Indian killed.

4 to 31 Oct 1874 – Fort Sill, Indian Territory. Capt. C. Parker, Troop K, 9th Cav, 1 Indian killed.

1875

None.

1876

15 Sept 1876 – Florida Mountains, New Mexico. Capt. H. Carroll, Troop F 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) wounded, 1 Indian killed.

 

[WVCOLT]

Wow. I truly like this gun and the history you presented. Thanks very much for sharing it. Great history lesson here. Well done Sir. Much appreciated my Forum Friend. 👍👍😉

 

[victorio1sw]

WELL, WHAT DID THE 9th CAVALRY DO?

Actions With Indians 9th Cavalry (Any other accompanying units left out for brevity):

1867

1 Oct 1867 – Howard’s Well, Texas. Corp. S. Wright, Detachment Troop D, 9th Cav, 2 (soldiers) killed.

5 Dec 1867 – Eagle Springs, Texas. Detachment Troop F 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) killed.

26 Dec 1867 – Fort Lancaster, Texas. Capt. W. H. Frohock, Detachment Troop K 9th Cav, 3 (soldiers) killed, 20 Indians killed, 11 Indians wounded.

1868

6 Aug 1868 – Fort Quitman, Texas. Troop H 9th Cav.

14 Sept 1868 – Horse Head Hills, Texas. Lt. P. Cusack, Detachments Troops C, F, & K 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) wounded, 25 Indians killed, 25 Indians wounded.

1869

7 June 1869 – Pecos River, Texas. Col. R. S. MacKenzie, Detachments Troops G, L, and M 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) Killed, 2 Indians killed.

16 Sept 1869 – Salt Fork of Brazos River, Texas. Capt. H. Carroll, Troops B, E, F, & M 9th Cav, 3 (soldiers) wounded.

20 to 21 Sept 1869 – Brazos River, Texas. Capt. H. Carroll, Detachments Troops B & E, 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) wounded.

28 to 29 Oct 1869 – Headwaters of Brazos River, Texas. Capt. J. M. Bacon, Troops B, E, F, G, L, & M 9th Cav, Indian Scouts, 8 (soldiers) wounded, 50 Indians killed, 7 Indians captured.

20 Nov 1869 – Headwaters of Llano River, Texas. Capt. E. M. Heyl, Detachments Troops F & M 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) wounded, 1 Indian killed.

25 Dec 1869 – Johnson’s Mail Station, Texas (N.C.O.). Detachment Troop E 9th Cav.

1870

3 Jan to 6 Feb 1870 – Rio Grande and Pecos, Texas. Capt. J. M. Bacon, Troop G 9th Cav.

6 Jan 1870 – Guadalupe Mountains, Texas. Troop H 9th Cav.

11 Jan 1870 – Lower Pecos River, Texas. Lt. C. Parker, Troop L 9th Cav, 1 Indian killed.

20 Jan 1870 – Delaware Creek, Texas. Capt. F. S. Dodge, Detachments Troops C, D, I, & K 9th Cav, 2 (soldiers) wounded.

3 April 1870 – San Martine Springs, Texas (N.C.O.). Detachment Troop H 9th Cav, 1 Indian killed.

25 April 1870 – Crow Springs, Texas. Maj. A. P. Morrow, Detachments Troops C & K 9th Cav.

19 to 20 May 1870 – Kickapoo Springs, Texas. Sgt. E. Stance, Detachment Troop F 9th Cav, 4 Indians wounded.

29 May 1870 – Bass Canyon, Texas. Lt. I. W. Trask, Troop I 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) killed.

1871

30 June 1871 – Staked Plains Texas. Lt Col. W. R. Shafter, Detachment 9th Cav, 1 Indian captured.

22 July 1871 – Headwaters of Concho River. Detachment Troop F 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) wounded.

31 July 1871 – McKavett, Texas. Capt. F. M. Crandall: Detachment Troop M 9th Cav, 1 Indian killed.

1 Sept 1871 – Fort McKavett. Capt. J. W. Clous, Detachment 9th Cav. No other notes.

1872

20 April 1872 – Howard’s Mills, Texas. Capt. M. Cooney, Troops A & H 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) wounded, 6 Indians killed.

20 May 1872 – La Pendencia, Texas. Lt. G. Valois, Detachment 9th Cav Indian Scouts.

1873

None.

1874

Month of Oct 1874 – Canadian River, Texas. Capt. A. E. Hooker, Troops E & K, 9th Cav, 1 Indian killed.

4 to 31 Oct 1874 – Fort Sill, Indian Territory. Capt. C. Parker, Troop K, 9th Cav, 1 Indian killed.

1875

None.

1876

15 Sept 1876 – Florida Mountains, New Mexico. Capt. H. Carroll, Troop F 9th Cav, 1 (soldier) wounded, 1 Indian killed.

More details about what happened on 26 Dec 1867 at Fort Lancaster, Texas. Notice the sentence "The men maintained a steady fire with their Spencer repeating carbines and .44 Remington revolvers".

All-Black 9th Cavalry Fought in the Battle of Fort Lancaster, Texas

 

[victorio1sw]

More details about what happened on 26 Dec 1867 at Fort Lancaster, Texas. Notice the sentence "The men maintained a steady fire with their Spencer repeating carbines and .44 Remington revolvers".

All-Black 9th Cavalry Fought in the Battle of Fort Lancaster, Texas

I would have run this post in the RSA Journal, but after 4 years of membership, it was seen that they weren't interested in antique guns. Just 1950's bolt actions and an endless article "Knives That Bite" on pocket knives that literally continued for years! I think that the RSA needs new "leadership".

I would definitely re-join if priorities at RSA improve.

 

[victorio1sw]

As for the "period regulation flap holster is also shown here. It bears the impressions left by a Remington New Model Army" in the original post -- here it is.

It is stamped "W. Kinsey & Co. / Newark, N.J.".

The broken hold-down tab has since been mended with a nearly-undetectible splice.

 

[Scottz63]

Nice Remington and history. Thanks!

 

[mrdix]

So are there other revolvers marked for the other 10 companies ? Seems odd the only ones around are all from company K ….are there any more out there marked in a similar way for other units ?
I could be all wet , but this looks like allot of those ‘ Wells Fargo “ stamped stuff one seems …whats the actual documentation to show where these where issued ?

 

[Canine cop]

Victorio, Quite interesting & like you, I find if I hit a piece that had documented history, means more than condition & that period is what peaks my interest. Before I became interested in the Indian Wars, I was big time into C.W.. In the early days of collecting, my discretionary spending was somewhat limited & if I could scrape together $100.00. I was in tall cotton. I bought one for $75.00 & for sure it had seen the elephant. Through the years, I had a chance a couple of times to trade it but the deals fell through. Fast forward to around 2008, give or take, recovering from the effects of cancer surgery & came upon SRS, when it was offered on line, so I went trough what weapons I had w/ 0 results until I came upon my Remington O.M. & got a hit. So I sent him the money for the info & it was a packet, so I went through everything I could find & I documented him from Birth to Death. He enlisted from 4 years in 1861, trained at Jefferson Barracks, assigned to to the 1st MO. Cav. & chased Quantrill & his raiders in MO. but also fought at Pea Ridge AR.,2 battles at Springfield & battle of Little Rock & mustered out at Osceola MO. some 25 miles from where I live. What I find interesting is that he was issued an O.M. ( was new when issued) in 1864 as the same year as yours as the N.M. you have. This was written up in 2 articles one in RSA & Gun Report written by Art Tobias At the time. At that time, RSA was quite receptive to articles on antique weapons but like you, I dropped my membership a few years ago as I wasn't interested in what they were. I will post pictures on this post & articles as reply

 

[Canine cop]

Victorio, Quite interesting & like you, I find if I hit a piece that had documented history, means more than condition & that period is what peaks my interest. Before I became interested in the Indian Wars, I was big time into C.W.. In the early days of collecting, my discretionary spending was somewhat limited & if I could scrape together $100.00. I was in tall cotton. I bought one for $75.00 & for sure it had seen the elephant. Through the years, I had a chance a couple of times to trade it but the deals fell through. Fast forward to around 2008, give or take, recovering from the effects of cancer surgery & came upon SRS, when it was offered on line, so I went trough what weapons I had w/ 0 results until I came upon my Remington O.M. & got a hit. So I sent him the money for the info & it was a packet, so I went through everything I could find & I documented him from Birth to Death. He enlisted from 4 years in 1861, trained at Jefferson Barracks, assigned to to the 1st MO. Cav. & chased Quantrill & his raiders in MO. but also fought at Pea Ridge AR.,2 battles at Springfield & battle of Little Rock & mustered out at Osceola MO. some 25 miles from where I live. What I find interesting is that he was issued an O.M. ( was new when issued) in 1864 as the same year as yours as the N.M. you have. This was written up in 2 articles one in RSA & Gun Report written by Art Tobias At the time. At that time, RSA was quite receptive to articles on antique weapons but like you, I dropped my membership a few years ago as I wasn't interested in what they were. I will post pictures on this post & articles as reply View attachment 837537

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[Canine cop]

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Arrticle in Gun Report

 

[lachiure]

Very Impressive Victorio! Thanks for sharing!
Your NMA is in quite good condition with a sharp edge barrel!
I like the All story and the holster..!

 

[inspcalahan]

Best thread of the day!!! The guns show, with the included history, makes them so incredibly valuable in the sense of where they've been, who they've been with, what they've done....superb!

 

[cloverleaf]

Wow. I truly like this gun and the history you presented. Thanks very much for sharing it. Great history lesson here. Well done Sir. Much appreciated my Forum Friend. 👍👍😉

+ 10

 

[jrm]

Excellent to read and many thanks for sharing !

 

[victorio1sw]

More details about what happened on 26 Dec 1867 at Fort Lancaster, Texas. Notice the sentence "The men maintained a steady fire with their Spencer repeating carbines and .44 Remington revolvers".

All-Black 9th Cavalry Fought in the Battle of Fort Lancaster, Texas

I read through this article about the Kickapoo raid on Fort Lancester last night. The 58 members of Co K 9th Cav were outnumbered 7 to 1 that day. Union Colonel William Thompson Frohock basically hated his black troops, but seeing the way they performed on Dec 26, 1867, he had to give them much praise. Frohock left the fort to pursue the horses and mules stolen by the Indians. During the battle, Frohock's wife was handing out ammunition for the Spencer rifles at the fort. This would be good material for a future movie.

Below is a good video on Fort Lancaster and its history.

 

[victorio1sw]

I read through this article about the Kickapoo raid on Fort Lancester last night. The 58 members of Co K 9th Cav were outnumbered 7 to 1 that day. Union Colonel William Thompson Frohock basically hated his black troops, but seeing the way they performed on Dec 26, 1867, he had to give them much praise. Frohock left the fort to pursue the horses and mules stolen by the Indians. During the battle, Frohock's wife was handing out ammunition for the Spencer rifles at the fort. This would be good material for a future movie.

Below is a good video on Fort Lancaster and its history.

This is another good video on Fort Lancaster as it appears now.

 

[victorio1sw]

So are there other revolvers marked for the other 10 companies ? Seems odd the only ones around are all from company K ….are there any more out there marked in a similar way for other units ?
I could be all wet , but this looks like allot of those ‘ Wells Fargo “ stamped stuff one seems …whats the actual documentation to show where these where issued ?

Charles Pate told me that the arming of the 9th Cav with Rem New Models was well known. They are also in a tight serial range. Fakers would miss that fact.

 

[victorio1sw]

Victorio, Quite interesting & like you, I find if I hit a piece that had documented history, means more than condition & that period is what peaks my interest. Before I became interested in the Indian Wars, I was big time into C.W.. In the early days of collecting, my discretionary spending was somewhat limited & if I could scrape together $100.00. I was in tall cotton. I bought one for $75.00 & for sure it had seen the elephant. Through the years, I had a chance a couple of times to trade it but the deals fell through. Fast forward to around 2008, give or take, recovering from the effects of cancer surgery & came upon SRS, when it was offered on line, so I went trough what weapons I had w/ 0 results until I came upon my Remington O.M. & got a hit. So I sent him the money for the info & it was a packet, so I went through everything I could find & I documented him from Birth to Death. He enlisted from 4 years in 1861, trained at Jefferson Barracks, assigned to to the 1st MO. Cav. & chased Quantrill & his raiders in MO. but also fought at Pea Ridge AR.,2 battles at Springfield & battle of Little Rock & mustered out at Osceola MO. some 25 miles from where I live. What I find interesting is that he was issued an O.M. ( was new when issued) in 1864 as the same year as yours as the N.M. you have. This was written up in 2 articles one in RSA & Gun Report written by Art Tobias At the time. At that time, RSA was quite receptive to articles on antique weapons but like you, I dropped my membership a few years ago as I wasn't interested in what they were. I will post pictures on this post & articles as reply View attachment 837537

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Canine, Some treasure high condition, but I place history way above that. You have an interesting O.M. Remington Army. There is nothing more fun than running down the history of a person (or unit) that owned/used an antique gun. I wonder, was your gun "upgraded" by adding a screw to keep the cylinder pin from sliding forward?

Mike Bellevue created a great video on the evolution of the Remington Army and Navy models. This was only 2 weeks ago. I think you will like seeing this, as below.

 

[victorio1sw]

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Canine, I later saw your article on William Bass. I see that the gun was upgraded with a screw. I think it is amazing too that the cylinder number matches, as many -- if not most of these found today -- have a cylinder from another gun inserted. After some degree of wear, cylinders were interchangeable, and got mixed during cleaning etc.