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Notches in wood grip of SAA dating from 1883

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Okay, this could be a particularly gruesome thread...

I have a single action army dating from 1883 with 4 nothches in the base of the grip. Similar to what you might see with an old deer rifle -- a deer taken for each notch. I suppose the notches could be for horses shot, etc., but could they be for individuals shot in the Old days?

Or I guess, in a way, my thread asks what are the odds a particular SAA actually took someone's life, or, what are the odds of succumbing to a SAA during the 19th and early 20th Centuries?
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I have seen a lot of these and one of my Sa's from 1876 has 3 or 4 notches on the grip. I've also seen notches filed in the metal. My theory is that most if not all of these "kill notches' were added long after the gun was retired from use to use as a selling point or to make the gun more interesting. I don't think anyone who carried a pistol in the old west notched their gun unless mabey some young pup who thought it looked cool. Offhand I can't think of any old guns that I've seen pictures of, owned by famous figures who had 'got their man' with any notches on them. This became popular myth in the early-mid 20th century.

Would you carve a notch in your expensive (at the time) handgun for a horse or critter? I wouldn't and I doubt anyone else would either.
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Here is an interesting tidbit I learned back in the early 1980's that is similar to the "notching". A friend of mine had a teens single action that had come from the area of the King Ranch in south Texas and there were notches filed in the edge of the frame in the metal under the cylinder and on the triggerbow and on the barrel and on the backstrap and there were X's scratched 2 times inside each grip.

My friend said that he had the gun on his table at a gunshow and a guy walked by and asked to look it over and studied it and told him that he was some kind of college professor and that the notching on the single action had been done by a mexican (at the time he didn't know where it had come from) and that in his travels and studies he had found that it was fairly common for a mexican to put notches in their guns to "ward off evil spirits and bad luck".

Years later I was at a show in Denver and one of the Texas guys I know had a gun on his table that was notched in the metal very similar and when I asked him what he knew about the gun he said "It just came out of the brush down near Kingsville" which is the area that the King ranch is located. I asked him if he had taken the grips off of it and he said he had and that there were X's scratched inside the grips.

So, so far, the story holds water for me on the custom.
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coltsixguns, do you think that is the deal with this revolver I have? Note both of the grips which appear to be made out of bone have an "X" carved into them:



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Interesting X's.....the ones I mentioned were scratched on the inside of the factory hard rubber grips but someone had certainly went to town notching the metal on the outside edges of the metal on the saa.

Your little hideout gun there might have been mexican owned once upon a time also!
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In my opinion, notches carved on grips or metal are from kills. Back in the day, guns were simply tools to the vast majority of their owners. It's why we see them in such terrible condition today. They were carried and used. The above Colt 1860 Army is a Civil War era revolver. The notches on the backstrap cannot be verified, but the war was very serious to those who fought on both sides. Some soldiers may have been quite proud of each kill they made with their rifle or revolver. Carving careful notches is not the sign of an aloof person, but rather a very serious soul. I held this revolver when I took the pictures (it belongs to a co-worker who was given it by his father-in-law) and I felt some awe that this Colt may have in fact taken the lives of persons represented by the notches on the backstrap. The person who carved them may have been proud of his killing or maybe even tormented by it. We'll never know. Doesn't make the gun any more or less valuable, but it sure is interesting.
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Interesting X's.....the ones I mentioned were scratched on the inside of the factory hard rubber grips but someone had certainly went to town notching the metal on the outside edges of the metal on the saa.

You reminded me that I had a pair of HR's in my parts box. As you can see, 4 x's scratched on the inside of one of the panels. Never knew what they signified until mabey now. Do you think that these came out of old mexico or just some random scratching?
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You never know Chaffee......I tried to do some google searches to deal with "customs concerning putting an X on an item" , etc........ but I never hit what I was looking for.

There is probably a book about customs and supersistions out there somewhere if we can find it!
I can't imagine killing a man and then needing to notch my gun in order to remember it.
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I don't recall ever seeing any of the really documented guns that came from "gunfighters" or "badmen" or "lawmen" that had any kind of "kill" notches on them.

Do any of you other guys know of an instances of notching of documented "famous" guns?
Kill notches for snakes and rabbits?
coltsixguns: The answer to your question is no. I have about 100 antiques in my collection, and none are notched...Jim

PS; I've been collecting since the early 60'd's...
George Patton had 2 notches on the stocks of his SAA, from the Pershing expedition into Mexico. You can see them in the pic below the medallion.
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This 1907 SAA has three notches on the heel of the grip frame that look to be made by a hacksaw blade. The notches have the same patina as the rest of the gun so I assume they have been there for a while. It's a great shooter with lots of character.
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George Patton had 2 notches on the stocks of his SAA, from the Pershing expedition into Mexico. You can see them in the pic below the medallion.
Patten stated that the two notches were for two Mexicans he killed during that expedition!
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If Patton did it....
Patton would be just the type to do that. No knock on Patton, just that his ego would have demanded it. Wouldn't surprise me if he even posed for a photo with his 'kills' like a hunter with a bear.
In 2003, i was working in a gunshop in Washington State as a gunsmith, when a gentleman brought in a SAA that the hammer was flopping around and asked for me to fix it. Of course I gently took of the grips and as suspected it was a broken hammer spring. BUT when I looked ont he inside of the grips I saw 4 hash marks. Puzzled as to the rumor of these being kills, i made sure I was in the shop when he came to pick it up. I asked him if he knew what they were and he stated that the gun had been in the family for years and it was originally his great grandfathers gun. He was a sheriff in Montana in the late 1800s and they were in fact kills. Pretty cool story.
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Patton would be just the type to do that. No knock on Patton, just that his ego would have demanded it. Wouldn't surprise me if he even posed for a photo with his 'kills' like a hunter with a bear.
Patton rode out to a ranch house during his duty in Mexico & got into a firefight w/a mexican officer & 1 or 2 soldiers,the officer mounted his horse & charged or wanted to get away & Patton dropped him out of the saddle w/his Colt,when he got back to camp the officers body was draped over the hood of the touring car Patton was in like a deer carcass,he did get chewed out over this.
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Patton got very irate with a reporter that asked him about his "pearl handled" revolver, and told him the grips were "IVORY", & that "only a New Orleans pimp would carry a pearl handled gun".
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