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Here are some more threads for the Shooting file. The sub-tab is Factory Ammo, which is of interest especially to the non-handloader -

.45LC - http://www.coltforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34571

.45LC Personal Defense Loads - http://www.coltforum.com/forums/colt-revolvers/36654-personal-defense-ammo-saa-2.html

.44-40 - http://www.coltforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34922

.41LC - http://www.coltforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28713&highlight=.38-40+ammo

.45ACP/SAA - http://www.coltforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35231

.45 Black Powder - http://www.coltforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24066 and http://www.coltforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35864

I'd probably also have another Shooting sub-tab for Handloads. And I'd suggest that someone should give thought to rearranging all these suggestions and entries into one easy to use thread or posting. It needs to be Admin to do it for obvious reasons.

Given the pretty heavy readership and traffic here, at some point I'd also consider dividing this board up between "Single Action Revolvers" and "Double Action Revolvers".
 

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Here's great advice from A1A on how bending the bolt tip can change bolt drop timing.

This was an answer to a member who was experiencing bolt drop that was too early.

ETA: Reverse the bending if the bolt is dropping too late.

......is correct. My first suspicion would not be a sufficiently worn bolt tip. IMO in this case, one should first try to tweak the bolt drop timing with a very slight inward bend of the bolt tang. This makes the tip track the triangle just a little longer. As you note from the book, one does not fit the bolt tip. If it turned out that increased tension is not adequate or starts to cause the bolt not to return, and one decided that perhaps the tip were worn such to cause that, replacing the bolt because of a bolt problem would not imply the need to replace the rebound. However, as is always pointed out, because of the complex interaction of the parts, one needs to be sure one is addressing the actual problem. :)

 

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COLT DA FRAMES EXPLAINED (dfariswheel DEC 20,2011)

Prior to WWII Colt named it's frames, usually after the first model to use it.
As example, the small frame for the .38 Special was called the Police Positive Special frame even if the actual gun was a Detective Special.
This was used for the Police Positive Special, the Police Positive Special Target, the Detective Special, etc.

The small frame made for short cartridges like the .38 S&W was the Police Positive frame. This was used for the Police Positive, the Banker's Special, the Police Positive Target, etc.

The medium frame as used on the Official Police and Officer's Models was known inside the Colt factory as the "41" frame since the original frame size was chambered in the old .41 Long Colt. Most people called the medium frame the Official Police frame.
This was used for the Army Special/Official Police and the Officer's Model Target.

The large frame was the New Service, used for the New Service, the Model 1909, the Model 1917, and the Shooting Master.

After the war Colt assigned letter codes to frames
While it's not technically correct to call pre-war Colt's by their post-war letter codes, the frames are actually the same so it saves making errors since everyone will understand what you mean if you use the letter code.
The "D" frame was Colt's small frame used on the Detective Special, Diamondback, Cobra, Agent, etc.

The "E" frame was Colt's medium frame as used on the Official Police, Officer's Model Match, and early Trooper .38 and .22 models. These had a firing pin mounted on the hammer.

The "I" frame was the "E" frame only with the firing pin mounted in the frame instead of on the "E" frames hammer. Since these are the same action except for the location of the firing pin, these are usually called the Colt "E&I" frame. This frame was used for the 357, later Trooper models, and the Python.

The "J" frame was the new transfer bar safety-ignition system medium frame introduced with the Mark III series of 1969. This was used on the Trooper Mark III, Lawman, Metropolitan Police, Official Police Mark III, and the very rare Officer's Model Match Mark III.

The "V" frame was a slightly modified Mark III action. This was used for the Trooper Mark V, Lawman Mark V, and the Peacekeeper.

The AA" frame was the "V" frame with a new profile barrel and made originally in stainless steel. This was made as the King Cobra.

The "MM" frame was Colt's first large frame since the New Service was discontinued in 1942. This was used for the Anaconda.

The "SF-VI" (Small Frame-Six Shot) frame was Colt's new small frame made of stainless steel with a transfer bar action. This was used for the SF-VI, DS-II, and Magnum Carry.
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DIFFERENCES IN 1st, 2nd and 3rd GEN SAA STOCKS/GRIPS (courtesy swamprat)

http://www.coltforum.com/forums/colt-revolvers/52457-colt-saa-grips-generation-changes.html



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DIAMONDBACK GRIP TYPES (courtesy dfariswheel)

There were three basic Diamondback grips:

First Type Diamondback Target grips.
Note the checkering border in a half circle under the medallions:


Second Type Diamondback Target grips.
Note the checkering in a slanted straight line under the medallions.


The 2 1/2" models models used the narrow Service grips.

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OFFICERS MODEL VARIATIONS (courtesy Jackson)

http://www.coltforum.com/forums/colt-revolvers/52638-colt-officers-model-variations-pictures.html



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3rd Generation SAA Dates of Manufacturing Updated to 2012 (courtesy dogface6)

Serial number at the beginning of the year.

1976 80000SA
1977 82000SA
1978 90500SA - 99999SA - SA01001
1979 SA13000
1980 SA30250
1981 SA46900
1982 SA58628
1983 SA65256
1984 SA66496
1985 SA70500
1986 Not Available - Factory Strike
1987 SA70813
1988 SA71464 - SA72269 SA90136 - SA94433
1989 SA94434
1990 Not Available Most from existing frames.
1991 SA94673 9mm and Birdshead grip frame introduced. New Blue Box with White Shell introduced.
1992 SA96588 Long Flute Cylinders introduced.
1993 SA99879 - SA99999 "SA changed to "SxxxxxA".
S02001A - S07005A .38-40 introduced.
1994 S07006A Screwless frame introduced.
1995 S10123A
1996 S12560A
1997 S15886A
1998 S21569A
1999 S26457A Cylinders with removable bushing re-introduced.
FT00001 Colt Cowboy introduced.
2000 S29100A
2001 S31500A
2002 S33400A
2003 S34000A .38 special reintroduced (S34600A). 2nd Gen. removable bushing re-introduced.
2004 S34500A Late December Shipments of re-intrtoduced .32/20
2005 S38000A
2006 S41300A
2007 S42900A & S53000A (out of sequence due to two different vendors for frames)
2008 S48100A & S57300A (out of sequence continues)Etched Panel re-introduced on .44-40.
2009 S48300A & S57300A
2010 S49000A & S64000A (out of sequence continues)Nickel Plated .44-40 etched panel introduced)
2011 S48000A and S65000A (out of sequence con't.) 175th Anniversary SAA produced in 3 barrel lengths)

NF20000 (New Frontier production resumes)
2012 S66200A (7 1/2" 175th Anniversary SAA's production concludes)​

 

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Is there a list by Model number somewhere out there?
Here is one less a little formatting. It requires two posts. :cool:

Model Number Model Name Type Caliber Barrel length Finish
AA3020 King Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 2" SS
AA3021 King Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 2-1/2" Bright SS
AA3021CC Combat Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 2-1/2" Bright SS
AA3040 King Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 4" SS
AA3040E King Cobra Enhanced Revolver 357 Magnum 4" SS
AA3040E King Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 4" SS
AA3041 King Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 4" Bright SS
AA3060 King Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 6" SS
AA3060E King Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 6" SS
AA3061 King Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 6" Bright SS
AA3061E King Cobra Enhanced Revolver 357 Magnum 6" Bright SS
AA3080 King Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 8" SS
AA3620 King Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 2" Blue
AA3640 King Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 4" Blue
AA3660 King Cobra Revolver 357 Magnum 6" Blue
CB1840 Cowboy Revolver 45 Colt 4-3/4" Blue / Case Colored Frame
CB1850 Cowboy Revolver 45 Colt 5-1/2" Blue / Color Case Frame
D1425 Detective Special Revolver 38 Special 2" Blue
D1425BB Detective Special Revolver 38 Special 2" Blue / Bobbed Hammer
D1425LNK Detective Special Revolver 38 Special 2" Electroless Nickel
D1426 Detective Special Revolver 38 Special 2" Nickel
D2442 Police Positive Revolver 38 Special 4" Blue
D3425 Cobra Revolver 38 Special 2" Blue
D3426 Cobra Revolver 38 Special 2" Nickel
D5140 Diamondback Revolver 22 LR 4" Blue
D5141 Diamondback Revolver 22 LR 4" Nickel
D5160 Diamondback Revolver 22 LR 6" Blue
D5160EDB Diamondback Revolver 22 LR 6" Blue - Engraved Colt Gold Colored Filled
D5161 Diamondback Revolver 22 LR 6" Nickel
D5520 Diamondback Revolver 38 Special 2-1/2" Blue
D5540 Diamondback Revolver 38 Special 4" Blue
D5541 Diamondback Revolver 38 Special 4" Nickel
D5560 Diamondback Revolver 38 Special 6" Blue
G2261 New Frontier Revolver 22 LR 6" Blue
G2271 New Frontier Revolver 22 LR 7-1/2" Blue
G2461 New Frontier (Dual cylinder) Revolver 22LR / 22 Mag 6" Blue
G8243 John Wayne Commemorative Revolver 22 LR 4-3/4" Blue
I1986 Double Diamond Python Revolver 357 Magnum 6" Bright SS
I3020 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 2-1/2" SS
I3021 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 2-1/2" Bright SS
I3040 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 4" SS
I3040CS Python Elite Revolver 357 Magnum 4" SS
I3041 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 4" Bright SS
I3060 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 6" SS
I3060CS Python Elite Revolver 357 Magnum 6" SS
I3060ESS Python Silver Snake Revolver 357 Magnum 6" SS
I3061 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 6" Bright SS
I3080 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 8" SS
I3081 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 8" Bright SS
I3620 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 2-1/2" Blue
I3630 Combat Python Revolver 357 Magnum 3" Blue
I3630CP Combat Python Revolver 357 Magnum 3" Blue
I3631 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 3" Nickel
I3640 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 4" Blue
I3640CS Python Elite Revolver 357 Magnum 4" Blued
I3660 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 6" Blue
I3660CS Python Elite Revolver 357 Magnum 6" Blue
I3660H Python Revolver 357 Magnum 6" Blue - With Custom Tuning and Sights
I3661 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 6" Nickel
I3680 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 8" Blue
I3682 Python Revolver 38 Special 8" Blue
I3683 Python Revolver 38 Special 8" Nickel
I3840 Python Revolver 357 Magnum 4" Electroless Nickel
 

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Model Number Model Name Type Caliber Barrel length Finish

J1245 Lawman MK III Revolver 357 Magnum 4" Blue
J1247 Lawman MK III Revolver 357 Magnum 2" Blue
J1248 Lawman MK III Revolver 357 Magnum 2" Nickel
J4261-MN Trooper MK III Revolver 357 Magnum 6" Electroless Nickel w Pachmayer Grips
J4262 Trooper MK III Revolver 357 Magnum 6" Nickel
J4288 Trooper MK III Revolver 22 LR 8" Nickel
J4362 Trooper MK III Revolver 357 Magnum 6" E Nickel
J4584P Trooper MK III Revolver 22 Magnum 8" Electroless Nickel
MM3040 Anaconda Revolver 44 Magnum 4" SS
MM3040DT Anaconda Revolver 44 Magnum 4" SS
MM3060 Anaconda Revolver 44 Magnum 6" SS
MM3060DT Anaconda Revolver 44 Magnum 6" SS
MM3061FE Anaconda First Edition Revolver 44 magnum 6" Bright SS
MM3080 Anaconda Revolver 44 Magnum 8" SS
MM3080PDT Anaconda Revolver 44 Magnum 8" Ported SS
MM3080RT Anaconda Realtree Revolver 44 Magnum 8" Camo
MM4560 Anaconda Revolver 45 Colt 6" SS
MM4580 Anaconda Revolver 45 Colt 8" SS
P1540 Model P (SAA) Revolver 32-20 4-3/4" Colored Case / Blue
P1541 Model P (SAA) Revolver 32-20 4-3/4" Nickel
P1550 Model P (SAA) Revolver 32-20 5-1/2" Colored Case / Blue
P1551 Model P (SAA) Revolver 32-20 5-1/2" Nickel
P1570 Model P (SAA) Revolver 32-20 7-1/2" Colored Case / Blue
P1571 Model P (SAA) Revolver 32-20 7-1/2" Nickel
P1840 Model P (SAA) Revolver 45 Colt 4-3/4" Blue / Color Case
P1841 Model P (SAA) Revolver 45 Colt 4-3/4" Nickel
P1850 Model P (SAA) Revolver 45 Colt 5-1/2" Blue / Color Case
P1856 Model P (SAA) Revolver 45 Colt 5-1/2" Nickel
P1870 Model P (SAA) Revolver 45 Colt 7-1/2" Blue / Color Case
P1940 Model P (SAA) Revolver 44-40 4-3/4" Blue / Color Case
P1941 Model P (SAA) Revolver 44-40 4-3/4" Nickel
P1950 Model P (SAA) Revolver 44-40 5-1/2" Blue / Color Case
P1956 Model P (SAA) Revolver 44-40 5-1/2" Nickel
P2870 SAA (black powder frame) Revolver 45 ACP 7-1/2" Blue / C Level Helfricht Engraving
P4671 New Frontier Revolver 357 Magnum 7-1/2" Nickel
P4840 New Frontier Revolver 45 Colt 4-3/4" Blue
P4870 New Frontier Revolver 45 Colt 7-1/2" Blue
P4940 New Frontier Revolver 44-40 4-3/4" Blue
SD1020 DS II Revolver 38 Special 2" SS
SD1030 DS II Revolver 38 Special 3" SS
SD1040 DS II Revolver 38 Special 4" SS
SD2020 Magnum Carry Revolver 357 Magnum 2" Satin SS
SD2020FE Magnum Carry First Edition Revolver 357 Magnum 2" SS
SF1020 SF-VI Revolver 38 Special 2" Matte SS
SF1022 SF-VI Revolver 38 Special 2" Matte SS / With Bobbed Hammer
SF1023 Colt Special Lady Revolver 38 Special 2" Bobbed Hammer / Bright Stainless Steel
SF1040 SF-VI Revolver 38 Special 4" SS
SF1041 SF-VI Revolver 38 Special 4" Black Stainless Steel
V2244 Trooper MK V Revolver 357 Magnum 4" Nickel
V5041 Boa Revolver 357 Magnum 4" Blue
V5061 Boa Revolver 357 Magnum 6" Blue
V6442 Viper Revolver 38 Special 4" Blue
V6443 Viper Revolver 38 Special 4" Nickel
V8345 PeaceKeeper Revolver 357 Magnum 4" Matte Black
 

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Another useful Dfariswheel post describing some of the reasons the bolt is not dropping or functioning properly:

(This response was to a member's cylinder not operating properly upon reassembly. The action was working properly when the sideplate was off but not when the sideplate was reinstalled.)

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The bolt is powered by the tiny spring, check to see if it's in place. The screw in the bolt should be tight, but not to the point where you risk breaking it.

The bolt is activated by the rebound lever. Unless the pin at the rear that holds it in the frame is out of place, simply installing a new main spring shouldn't have affected bolt function.

Make sure the front of the rebound is properly in place under the hand. Often during disassembly the hand slips outward and the rebound slips off the ledge in the slot on the back of the hand. The rebound and thus the bolt will not operate correctly.

To check bolt function with the side plate off, put a finger on the hand to prevent it from slipping outward and out of place.
With the side plate in place just look up inside the frame as you operate the hammer.

In either case, the instant the hammer starts to move back the bolt should begin to drop.
You can view the operation of the bolt "tail" as the tiny triangle surface pushes the tail upward, which caused the front of the bolt to drop into the frame.

This should allow you see WHY the bolt isn't operating, which will likely be something out of place which is preventing the tail of the bolt to be engaged by the rebound.

When the hammer is cocked far enough, the bolt tail will slip off the rebound with a clean "click".
When the hammer is lowered again, the tail of the bolt should snap back onto the triangular surface on the rebound.
If something is out of place or "whatever", the tail of the bolt will not snap back onto the rebound, and the action will operate without operating the bolt.
 

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Since I am new to the Colt culture, having recently purchased a Metropolitan and asked questions about the Border Patrol [I now know they are variations of the Trooper MK III], I would like to know if there is a listing comparing the most popular models. E.g.,what are the differences between the various "snake" models? Are the frame sizes different? Are the materials different? Which are available only blued and which are available in nickel plate, and which also are made in stainless?

I guess what I'm asking for is an expansion of A1A's post.
 

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The follow-up answer is quoted below: (I couldn't get it all in on the above post because it exceeded the allowable characters in one post.) (The Dewey Parker Hale jags are good, they are a bit smaller and hold the proper sized patch, rather than sometimes having to go with a smaller sized patch for the caliber you are cleaning IMHO.)
 

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How about a separate section on specific models, etc. where our learned experts can post their notes, dissertations, etc. In other words a readily accessible index?
 
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