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An interesting question floating around my picnic table Sunday evening. Premise: The biggest, most extravagant gun collection on earth isn't worth much if some stonedome pulls a knife on you and your wife and your 1636 Captain Black Special is home in the safe! So, what's it gonna' be? You may have ONE pistol. (Or shotgun or rifle or brickbat if you prefer, but this IS a revolver column.) Please tell me/us the, "what and why," of your choice. Let's assume, too, that you are NOT a policeman nor personal body guard to Donald Trump and really, legally, shouldn't be carrying a gun in the first place, as that, almost certainly, is how the police investigating the homocide you just committed will look at it. In my adopted state - Kansas, you'd think we'd have super liberal gun laws, wouldn't you? One MAY carry ANYTHING, in the open ... but NOTHING concealed without a badge or county permit. (A pistol in the glove compartment is a concealed weapon here, so you may as well have it on you.) And, "No," let's assume we are not interested in wearing a fast draw western rig with two nickeled Pythons nor carrying a Garand at port arms in to your favorite steak & ale house! So, we've got to 1. pick YOUR favorite, "carry-almost-all-the-time-and-nobody-knows-it's-there gun," and 2., how you're going to carry it. Gentlemen, I await illumination.
 

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THis is a Colt forum...................

With that said:

I've settled on two carry defense guns.

A rare S&W 3" barreled Model 66. This was a small run of 2500 guns sold through Ashland Shooter's Supply in the late 80's.

A Kahr K9, 9mm stainless auto.

Of all the guns I've owned, these two come as close as I've ever been to the "perfect" defense gun.

Both are "Pull, Point, Shoot" guns. No manual safeties, great DA triggers, reliable, accurate, powerful, and just feel "right".

These days, I usually carry the Kahr, and as soon as we get the new CCW system up and running, I'll be carrying it out in "public".

In the past I owned and carried just about every gun made by Colt, from the Combat Commander, to the Officer's Model ACP, to the Detective Special, to the SF-VI, to the Python.

But the S&W 66 is THE classic medium Magnum revolver, and the 3" barreled "K" frames are as perfect a carry revolver as there is.

The Kahr is today's "Gold Standard" in personal defense guns.
Years ago it was the Colt Dick Special, then, in the late 50's the standard was the Walther PPK. Now it's a Kahr.

The Kahr "K" series blows them all away.
It's one of the few CCW guns that WILL get carried ALL the time.
Bigger guns are nice, but sooner, or later, it's just too tempting to not carry it "just this once". That's also "just when you'll need it".

Most of today's mini-guns are actually chopped full size guns. The Glock's are a prime example. They started off with a full sized Service gun, and shrank it down to a mini-gun.
However, the working parts of the gun are still basically full-sized.

Kahr started off with a true mini-gun with the "K" series and shrunk it further with the "MK" series.

My personal recommendation for today's CCW is the Kahr "K" series, one of the small to medium S&W 5 or 6 shot revolvers, or the Ruger SP-101.

Buy stainless steel because it won't rust as quickly as blued steel. If you carry it, the finish on carbon steel guns will get worn, and the metal will rust.

Make sure it's reliable with the chosen defense ammo. That means shooting at least 100-200 rounds of THAT ammo through THAT gun, with THOSE magazines.

Reliability it more important than accuracy or stopping power.
Yes you need to hit the target, but one "pro" says "six inches at six feet".
Stopping power is a real world non-factor with most any modern premium defense ammo at calibers of .38/9mm and up.
Being able to shoot 50 yard slow fire NRA target or being able to blow the barn door off it's hinges is nice, but it needs to work.

Carry details are just too variable to do any recommendations, other than to pick something that's comfortable, and you'll actually carry. You want something you won't leave at home because it's uncomfortable or too awkward or slow to put on.

Speed is actually not the first consideration, although you do need to think about it, AND PRACTICE the draw.

Be honest about your decision.
It may be way cool to carry a full sized 1911 or a S&W Model 29 with a 6" barrel, but is this really reasonable in the real world?
Is it sensible to carry a tiny .25 ACP on a key chain?
 

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Oh, Brother ... I've got some home work to do! I'm going to study your advice here and I thank you for it most sincerely, Sir. I suppose I'm a reactionary. Freudian as hell. I've never shot a .25. I take it you and Jeff Cooper don't think much of them. What do you know about a S&W .22 Escort? My son, the cop, speaks highly of Kahrs. I'll have to pick his brain. (I just can't take someone I helped toilet train seriously when it comes to guns and police work!)For right now, if I had that nickel DS on one of the other items listed here I'd be happy for quite a while! (Told you, I'm a Neanderthal. I like to think a, "classy Neanderthal." Ha!) I did once have a 4" #66 as an issue police gun. You could work the trigger and turn the cylinder and not raise the hammer!?! That's when I became a SERIOUS Colt fan. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dfariswheel:
THis is a Colt forum...................

With that said:

I've settled on two carry defense guns.

A rare S&W 3" barreled Model 66. This was a small run of 2500 guns sold through Ashland Shooter's Supply in the late 80's.

A Kahr K9, 9mm stainless auto.

Of all the guns I've owned, these two come as close as I've ever been to the "perfect" defense gun.

Both are "Pull, Point, Shoot" guns. No manual safeties, great DA triggers, reliable, accurate, powerful, and just feel "right".

These days, I usually carry the Kahr, and as soon as we get the new CCW system up and running, I'll be carrying it out in "public".

In the past I owned and carried just about every gun made by Colt, from the Combat Commander, to the Officer's Model ACP, to the Detective Special, to the SF-VI, to the Python.

But the S&W 66 is THE classic medium Magnum revolver, and the 3" barreled "K" frames are as perfect a carry revolver as there is.

The Kahr is today's "Gold Standard" in personal defense guns.
Years ago it was the Colt Dick Special, then, in the late 50's the standard was the Walther PPK. Now it's a Kahr.

The Kahr "K" series blows them all away.
It's one of the few CCW guns that WILL get carried ALL the time.
Bigger guns are nice, but sooner, or later, it's just too tempting to not carry it "just this once". That's also "just when you'll need it".

Most of today's mini-guns are actually chopped full size guns. The Glock's are a prime example. They started off with a full sized Service gun, and shrank it down to a mini-gun.
However, the working parts of the gun are still basically full-sized.

Kahr started off with a true mini-gun with the "K" series and shrunk it further with the "MK" series.

My personal recommendation for today's CCW is the Kahr "K" series, one of the small to medium S&W 5 or 6 shot revolvers, or the Ruger SP-101.

Buy stainless steel because it won't rust as quickly as blued steel. If you carry it, the finish on carbon steel guns will get worn, and the metal will rust.

Make sure it's reliable with the chosen defense ammo. That means shooting at least 100-200 rounds of THAT ammo through THAT gun, with THOSE magazines.

Reliability it more important than accuracy or stopping power.
Yes you need to hit the target, but one "pro" says "six inches at six feet".
Stopping power is a real world non-factor with most any modern premium defense ammo at calibers of .38/9mm and up.
Being able to shoot 50 yard slow fire NRA target or being able to blow the barn door off it's hinges is nice, but it needs to work.

Carry details are just too variable to do any recommendations, other than to pick something that's comfortable, and you'll actually carry. You want something you won't leave at home because it's uncomfortable or too awkward or slow to put on.

Speed is actually not the first consideration, although you do need to think about it, AND PRACTICE the draw.

Be honest about your decision.
It may be way cool to carry a full sized 1911 or a S&W Model 29 with a 6" barrel, but is this really reasonable in the real world?
Is it sensible to carry a tiny .25 ACP on a key chain?

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In very warm weather, with concealment being more problematic, my Iver Johnson TP22 (Walther TPH clone). Yeah, I know, but a mag full of 22's is better than a 'Shoo, go away'. Spare mag in other pocket.

Normally, a Detective Special shoved into a pocket. Spare speedloader in other pocket.

In colder weather, when wearing a heavy coat, Taurus M455, a 45acp 5 shot 2" snub. This is usually my car gun as well. Again, slipped into a pocket. Spare moonclip(s) in other pocket.

I try to keep it simple.

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As previously said,this is a Colt forum...
I just sold my Walther TPH at the Lakeland,Fl show last week-it sat in my drawer & I always felt under-represented when I slipped it in the back pocket of my shorts(this is Miami...).I've been shooting the S&W Chiefs Special all my life,have owned one since I was 16(bought a Berns-Martin triple draw shoulder/belt holster for it then & still have it)& if I have a gun nearby that's what it is.I'm a good shot w/ it,comfortable w/ it & don't think of carrying anything else on a routine basis. Just my opinion,based on comfort w/ the weapon...If I knew I was headed for real trouble,was wearing a coat & was "forewarned",I think I'd want my 1911A1 w/ a couple of extra mags
in a high-ride holster.I'm pretty comfortable w/ that gun as well.
Regards,turnerriver
Florida is pretty good on CCW-license is obtainable w/ reasonable effort.

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What I carry depends on where I'm going/what I'm doing...when I can I carry my DS in an IWB holster, but I have to be careful with that due to my size (lets just say the "King Size Direct" catalog is sent to me every month) I want to make sure it won't be seen (this is Florida...land of the t-shirt). When I can't carry the DS I keep a Kel-tec P32 in my front pocket in a leather pocket holster.

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One really important thing I'd like to add is that regardless of what you get, get a good holster and a belt designed to support a gun. I've found that even when I carry a DS, SiG 230 or Mak in a pocket holster, a good gun belt helps with support, concealment and comfort. Even the most expensive dress belt will not work as well.

Of all the factors in concealment, I believe that a good belt is the sigle biggest factor in your success and satisfation.

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Yes, Mr. Jar. I quite agree. Thanks for your response. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jar:
One really important thing I'd like to add is that regardless of what you get, get a good holster and a belt designed to support a gun. I've found that even when I carry a DS, SiG 230 or Mak in a pocket holster, a good gun belt helps with support, concealment and comfort. Even the most expensive dress belt will not work as well.

Of all the factors in concealment, I believe that a good belt is the sigle biggest factor in your success and satisfation.

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Oh boy. Be gentle now.
I collect S&Ws but have Colts,SIGs,Berettas,Glocks and 1911s in my collection to chose from. The one single handgun(for portability 100% of the time and ease of carry concealed) would be the one I am the most accurate with under stressfull conditions and has never failed once. It went through Fistfire and LFI-II along with IDPA and general twice per month training/practicing.
Ok, enough. It is a Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special.
 

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I don't think many would dispute your findings! Thanks for your reply and welcome. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Albert Shear:
Oh boy. Be gentle now.
I collect S&Ws but have Colts,SIGs,Berettas,Glocks and 1911s in my collection to chose from. The one single handgun(for portability 100% of the time and ease of carry concealed) would be the one I am the most accurate with under stressfull conditions and has never failed once. It went through Fistfire and LFI-II along with IDPA and general twice per month training/practicing.
Ok, enough. It is a Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special.
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You, Sir, are no doubt braver than I. If I KNEW I was headed for trouble - I wouldn't go! (Not without a badge AND a gun, anyway.) That's the whole problem ... the trade-off between, "capability and culpability," if you will. Your Walther TPH intrigues me ... and shows my ignorance. What is it? (Or, WAS it?) Anything Walther's got to be good medicine, no? <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by turnerriver:
As previously said,this is a Colt forum...
I just sold my Walther TPH at the Lakeland,Fl show last week-it sat in my drawer & I always felt under-represented when I slipped it in the back pocket of my shorts(this is Miami...).I've been shooting the S&W Chiefs Special all my life,have owned one since I was 16(bought a Berns-Martin triple draw shoulder/belt holster for it then & still have it)& if I have a gun nearby that's what it is.I'm a good shot w/ it,comfortable w/ it & don't think of carrying anything else on a routine basis. Just my opinion,based on comfort w/ the weapon...If I knew I was headed for real trouble,was wearing a coat & was "forewarned",I think I'd want my 1911A1 w/ a couple of extra mags
in a high-ride holster.I'm pretty comfortable w/ that gun as well.
Regards,turnerriver
Florida is pretty good on CCW-license is obtainable w/ reasonable effort.

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If you've never seen one, the TPH is petite and slim little 22LR or 25ACP semi-automatic. Nice pocket piece.
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rcwambold,
While I am by no means an expert on pistols, I do have an American made TPH, cal. 6.35mm. It is one fine little pistol. You can find a bit about it at http://geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2188/index.html
It is certainly not recommended as a primary defense weapon because of its anemic caliber. It is perhaps the finest of the "mouse guns" available. I have a CCW and rarely carry a gun. When I do, it is the one I find most easy to carry because it is so darned concealable. As a result, it is the one most likely to be along. I favor the 6.35mm because of reliability. As you know it came into existance principally because of the reliability/feeding questions with the 22LR.
Essentially, it is a scaled down version of the PP/PPK and except for the triggerguard contour, grip and rear by the hammer is almost identical. It does not hold the slide open after the last shot as does the PP/PPK but that is about the only mechanical difference. It is double action which is unusual for pistols of this size. The sights are similar to current PP/PPK and are great for this type of gun. I wanted a stainless model but they were almost non-existant in 6.35mm when I bought mine 5yrs ago. Once again, it is not a recommended caliber but it is certainly a quality gun that is easily concealed. I hope I have not committed blasphemy by discussing a non-Colt product on a Colt forum but unfortunately, Colt does not produce an equivalent. Just my $.02.
 

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Thank you, Sir, for the info. I want to meet one of these! Sounds like it'd fill the bill. (I'm a little worried about what would happen if I bought something other than a Colt, though ... I think, at best, we'd have a heck of a storm!) <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ColtCobra:
rcwambold,
While I am by no means an expert on pistols, I do have an American made TPH, cal. 6.35mm. It is one fine little pistol. You can find a bit about it at http://geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2188/index.html
It is certainly not recommended as a primary defense weapon because of its anemic caliber. It is perhaps the finest of the "mouse guns" available. I have a CCW and rarely carry a gun. When I do, it is the one I find most easy to carry because it is so darned concealable. As a result, it is the one most likely to be along. I favor the 6.35mm because of reliability. As you know it came into existance principally because of the reliability/feeding questions with the 22LR.
Essentially, it is a scaled down version of the PP/PPK and except for the triggerguard contour, grip and rear by the hammer is almost identical. It does not hold the slide open after the last shot as does the PP/PPK but that is about the only mechanical difference. It is double action which is unusual for pistols of this size. The sights are similar to current PP/PPK and are great for this type of gun. I wanted a stainless model but they were almost non-existant in 6.35mm when I bought mine 5yrs ago. Once again, it is not a recommended caliber but it is certainly a quality gun that is easily concealed. I hope I have not committed blasphemy by discussing a non-Colt product on a Colt forum but unfortunately, Colt does not produce an equivalent. Just my $.02.
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WELCOME to the forum! You will find a nice bunch of fellow Colt lovers here and some of them are quite knowledgable (except me)with enough info to answer just about any question you may have. They are always eager to help. There are all kinds of opinions expressed here and all are open for discussion as long as we keep it in good taste. Always remember "there is no thing as a stupid question". This forum is becoming more active every day. Jump in and share your views with us. LOL Dick
 

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Dear Mr. Mac - Wanna' know what I think's WRONG with a 2" S&W #10? NOTHING! That's what's wrong with it. (If I was 100% sober and honest, I'd admit that, more than likely, it will have a better double-action than my Colt.357. But for single-action, slow fire at targets - paper, inanimate or animate, I'll take the Colt. I did know a detective once that was issued a 2" #10 and paid the difference for a Chief's Special #36 out of his own pocket. The #10 is rather bulky by comparison. But, if I'd've been he, I'd've carried a 2 1/2" Python and pulled my belt tighter! <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by McAfee:

What's the matter with a 2inch S&W Model 10?
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