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This is just my opinion but since I've now read this response 1 too many times I felt like I'd vent. When someone ask a simple question like how much is my gun worth, we have two choices, respond or not. If you respond, please don't answer the question with a non answer like, it's worth what you paid for it. First it's of no help to the person that asked the question, second it's kind of being a smart a$$, and lastly it's wrong. An example would be if I found and bought a like new Python made in 1958 with a 2 inch barrel for 600.00. I'm not sure what the current market value is but I am certain it's worth more than 600.00. I guess if you wanted to say its worth at least what you paid for it, but again you are not giving an answer that helps. Sorry if this offends anyone, but I feel better for posting it.
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I agree with you. When I try to answer such a question I qualify my answer with what I've seen a particular go for in my area. I do believe some areas are more inflated than others, and certain guns bring higher prices than others according to locality.

Bob Wright
Well I thought we were going to discuss "house breaking" a pet :cool::cool::cool:



I too hate "what's my gun worth" questions.....

Lots of places to do your own research.....

Heck I see LOTS of guys asking way more than I will pay at most shows....maybe thats why they call them "GUN SHOWS"....not "GUN SELLS" RR.

PS no 1958 2" PYTHONS were made that I am aware of.....so about the $600 you paid I guess.....opps maybe I see your point:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Sometimes it is almost unavoidable to drop more coin than you would prefer on a purchase. Even if you have done your homework, the deal might be to do it now or regret it later when the things are twice the price.
That bein' said, doin' the homework can help when you have to dig deep to have what you're after.
Lately, the sweet deals seem to be scarce, and more money is usually the answer.
Every one of us has jumped on things and maybe went a little over budget one time or another, but we all want to get the best bargain we can.
I don't know if this post helps with the topic at issue, jes' sayin'.......
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Glad you feel better, but this forum isn't a free appraisal service for people who don't want to do any research. We have had too many posters in my opinion who drop in, get a value from people who are honestly trying to help, and then bounce out to sell the gun immediately at that price. I try to not participate in any 'what is it worth' threads unless the question is posed by an established member and I feel like I can help.

it isn't difficult to create a gunbroker account and look at completed auctions to determine value. Some people are probably too lazy to even do that and show up here to get info without really adding anything to the discussion.

And now I have vented also.
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Glad you feel better, but this forum isn't a free appraisal service for people who don't want to do any research. We have had too many posters in my opinion who drop in, get a value from people who are honestly trying to help, and then bounce out to sell the gun immediately at that price. I try to not participate in any 'what is it worth' threads unless the question is posed by an established member and I feel like I can help.

it isn't difficult to create a gunbroker account and look at completed auctions to determine value. Some people are probably too lazy to even do that and show up here to get info without really adding anything to the discussion.

And now I have vented also.

Agree.
What peeves me is posters who join, ask 'what is Colt I'm looking at worth', & then go to GB and use those #'s as a reserve price on Colt they/friend/relative already have.
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My .02 cents worth...Now that Colts have become such a collectable item and the price and demand continues to go up, there is some validity to the answer "it's worth what you paid for it". If you find a Colt that you have been hunting for 2 years and there it is in your hands and you pay what the seller is asking, then at that very moment in time it is worth to you exactly what you paid for it. Nothing more nothing less. I would hope that as a buyer you would have some idea as to what you are buying and how much you need to spend. Otherwise a fool and his money shall quickly part.
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To the original post: New Colt owners register here after buying a (ie) Python and without pictures and a very cursory description ask " What's my Python worth?" . It's already been purchased, we only have a brief, often erroneous description, so it's like giving a haircut over the internet. I try my best to give ranges for these questions if pictures and accurate data is provided. Often we get "I inherited..." so we try to help as best we can. Now then, yes, I have been guilty of "it's worth what you paid for it to you" answers for post purchase questions. There are numerous resources, GB sold auctions is one, that will assist in giving a relative worth to similar condition pieces. Use these tools otherwise one learns nothing. Research before you buy. We are more guilty of going out of our way to help someone than your example of what your pet peeve is. FWIW, we also tell someone they paid too much and/or you bought a faked "NIB" Python. We get no pleasure bursting someone's bubble. Reckon you need to consider the totality of "what's this worth" threads and understand not all questions/answers are weighed equally due to circumstance.
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I have been guilty of the "It is worth what you paid for it" answer when you have the obvious newbies wanting the services of the Colt Appraiser Service with inaccurate description, no pictures,and smart ass answers by the poster when the same are asked for. Now I will just ignore them if it isn't a recognized poster......Mike
While I see it as little help and it can be somewhat of a smartalec answer it can also be looked at as trying to make someone feel better about a purchase. I know if there is a gun I have been looking for I won’t let 10-15% stand in my way. On those occasions I may be looking for a little consoling. Such as (sorry for showing off), I probably paid too much for this, no box, just the gun. It is the closest to a 100% Colt Match Target, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] series with walnut stocks that I will find. The hurt is gone now, it’s mine and I feel good every time I take it out. I’m not looking for investments, I buy’em cause I like’em.







What bothers me are the “how’d I do” posts. Sometimes I believe somebody does come upon a widow with a Python that thinks $400 is a lot to ask, but sometimes I think they are just lying. Really, how many dealers in this country don’t know that price is, at the very least, missing a digit?
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BMAC-I would feel good about that too, no question. Please "show off" some more. I have a shooter, and would love to have such a perfect piece.
I am one of those guilty of asking for consolation. I started a thread today, not for the purpose of gaining a value, but making sure I didn't take it in the shorts on a Colt Bisley. I think the tough part is that the Blue Book is pure unadulterated fantasy for some items and is a worthless guide without factoring in the aspects previously stated. I have been involved in the industry for a very long time and there are too many fields to know the value of any one corner of the market without constantly researching. On top of that, sometimes the market goes bat-s**t crazy. I felt fairly comfortable around Pythons and real world market values, but what has happened in the past few years, leaves all of my previous knowledge in the dust. I completely agree that a bit of research goes a long way, but so many people are too lazy or uneducated to do some homework. Some people do need help, but weeding out the trolls can be a pain.

Mark
The trouble with the Blue Book and the likes of Flayderman's guide is that they are just that - Guides. They cannot be particularly accurate as the time taken between researching and printing means that in an ever changing market place they can be out of date almost as soon as they hit the shops. Their best use is as a comparison between models, condition etc.

Rio
If you really want to know the value of a colt, list it on gunbroker with some BS description of its history, along with a non-original box and hang tag, and call it "all original". Every collector on this forum will be all over that with private messages about what it is really worth. And if you are lucky, someone will start a thread in the lounge about what an thief and idiot the individual listing the gun is, and will add all the info they know about the gun to show how smart they are.
"and will add all the info they know about the gun to show how smart they are."

Or pass on their vast knowledge (without payment) to keep the uninformed from "taking it in the shorts" as some one said. In the short period of time I have been on this forum I have never encountered anyone giving free information to "show how smart they are". I imagine if the "smart" person saved you from getting screwed out of $1000 you would think different.
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I think some of you are missing the original poster's point-- he's not complaining about "how much is it worth?"-type questions; I think his pet peeve is with responses that either do not answer the question in a meaningful manner, or responses that are essentially uninformed, "I'll throw my two cents in even though I don't really know much about it," sorts of answers.

If that's the gist of it, I would be inclined to agree. There are a fair amount of topics here that fall into that category.

Here's a silly example. Question: "Hey, I just bought a .357 Python. Can I shoot .38 Special ammunition through it?"

I would consider these sorts of responses spurious or useless:

"Well, I don't have a Python, but I have a GP100, and that feeds 38 just fine, so I would think it's ok."

"I use .44 Special in my Anaconda all the time, so I don't see why not."

"I wouldn't do it, the barrel says 357 doesn't it? Stick with that."

"I don't own a 357, but the numbers are different, so you probably shouldn't."

"My Police Positive won't take 38 Special, only 38 S&W, so I think the same concept would apply to yours."

"I once read in a magazine twenty years ago that you shouldn't shoot hard-cast lead rounds through a hammer-forged barrel."

See what I mean? Now, to those who supply the knowledgeable, informative answers, please keep it up.
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You are right Hooked, I have gotten lots of good info from this forum. But, there are an awful lot of posts here regarding members attempting to educate gunbroker sellers who are not asking to learn, and quite a few unanswered questions on these forums from people who are asking for info.

I got some very good info just a week or so ago on this forum helping me to make a purchase.
I purchased my Colts because Im old school and shoot them, I prefer metal firearms to the new poly pistolas. To me every one of my Colts is priceless , and will be willed to my kids when Im long and gone taking the dirt nap. My 8 yr old just shot my Gold Cup for the first time this past weekend. That moment was priceless in its self.

-Mike
List me as one of those people who doesn't respond to the "what's it worth" question.
Strike one - In many cases, the poster does not include photos so a value determiniation is difficult. Strike two - In other situations, the poster has just bought the firearm or is looking at purchasing the firearm but doesn't care to have a conversation with us or tell us how much the selling price was/is.
Strike three - a low post count combined with the question "whats it worth" suggests to me that the poster is trolling for information that will put dollars in his pocket and not interested in having a conversation.
Kim
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