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Question: Is it wise to shoot a 1911 with mammoth ivoy on it?

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Hi Folks,
As the title asks, is it wise to shoot a gun with mammoth ivory stocks installed?
I'd always thought any type of ivory should be changed out before a trip to the range. Thoughts?
Thanks,
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I have a 70 series I shoot with elephant ivory on it. Doak once a year in mineral oil.
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I used to think the same. Then I noticed all those old single actions and 1911s with old aged ivory on them. Then I got to where I could afford some ivory and started shooting it.

Don’t deprive yourself.
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Why Not? Ya ain't gonna hurt the gun! pistol! Good Shootin! send it to me and I'll "hep" ya out?
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If there is a natural pistol grip material that is as tough as ivory, I'd like to know about it --

A few I like --
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well i know i would...i am making a set of stags right now and plan on shooting with them....
I have been carrying an ivory gripped 1911 daily for 25 years. I love the feel of ivory in the hand. I have heard that natural mother of pearl will not handle the abuse that ivory will but I do not know if it true.
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Thanks for the replies, gents!
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You asked about mammoth ivory which I understand to be fossilized; hard and brittle. I agree with elephant ivory being no problem with stress from recoil. I shot my SAA once with pearl on it and promptly got a chip at the conjunction of the frame and backstrap. Pearl is hard and brittle too. I don't do that any more. I don't know if I would risk the fossilized mammoth being pliable enough to absorb recoil. I think most of the replies above were for elephant ivory....anyone shoot fossilized ivory?
You asked about mammoth ivory which I understand to be fossilized; hard and brittle. I agree with elephant ivory being no problem with stress from recoil. I shot my SAA once with pearl on it and promptly got a chip at the conjunction of the frame and backstrap. Pearl is hard and brittle too. I don't do that any more. I don't know if I would risk the fossilized mammoth being pliable enough to absorb recoil. I think most of the replies above were for elephant ivory....anyone shoot fossilized ivory?

In regard to the original question about mammoth ivory it depends on the maker.
Some 'stabilize' the material with epoxy or other types of chemicals. Some mammoth ivory makers do not stabilize it.
I have some mammoth tooth Ivory grips made by Dan Chinnock that have been stabilized as well as reinforced with G10.
They are as durable as most grips and quite safe to use. He advertises that if any of his grips ever fail or crack he will replace them for free. I shoot with them on regularly and probably have 1000rnds thru the gun with them on.
The grips the Op has are mammoth 'bark' or ivory from the tusk. It is usually a bit more brittle than than tooth ivory.
I'd check with the maker if possible to see if they were stabilized and safe to shoot.

If you really want to protect them get some challis bushings and O rings to put underneath as well as on the screws and the grips won't move at all and be better protected against shock and recoil.

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Knife handle & fossil ivory I made it from --


The fossil ivory works much the same as modern ivory, hardness, brittleness, etc. The principal difference is its shrinkage & separation along its 'grain' lines (for lack of a better word); seeming similar to wood lines seen each year in life of wood in a tree. I filled the separations with epoxy tinted brown. My experience with fossil ivory is limited but with modern ivory is extensive.
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I have guns with Ivory & MOP grips; I carry and shoot them, that's what they are made for!
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As Robert said fossil ivory (mammoth, walrus) works much like Elephant ivory. It's strong stuff... just ask the Elephant. Of the stocks shown the only one I would have a concern about shooting is the Mammoth tooth (molar). It is clearly beautiful but it is famously unstable. The only thing holding those stocks together is the G-10 backing. Additionally ivory does not benifit from stabilizing. The vacume process pulls out moisture and replaces it with a stable polymer. This works well on pourous material like (most) wood but unfortunately does nothing for ivory.
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I shot my 1903 Hammerless with really old ivories on it. When I went to change grips the next time my ivories came off in 4 pieces. Seems the ivory backers were glued on and both sides popped right off. I'll have to glue them back on someday. I've been meaning to ask around here: What's the best glue for that? To glue ivory to ivory?
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I shot my 1903 Hammerless with really old ivories on it. When I went to change grips the next time my ivories came off in 4 pieces. Seems the ivory backers were glued on and both sides popped right off. I'll have to glue them back on someday. I've been meaning to ask around here: What's the best glue for that? To glue ivory to ivory?
Any glue you'd like but nothing will work. Ivory expands and contracts and will ultimately break the bond. Perhaps Terry can suggest a flexable adheasive that doesn't harden.
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iwanna -- If I understand your situation, fix with epoxy & fiberglass cloth backing --

1. I'd clean the broken surfaces, roughen them slightly to give a better glue surface,

2. With a piece of fiberglass cloth, locate screw holes properly to avoid it bunching up, cut larger than the entire grip.

3. Clean/roughen the ivory back that goes against the gun.

4. Cut a piece of foil, lightly waxed both sides, larger than the entire grip surface.

All that made ready --

a. Wax around the grip area of the gun & put the foil (4.) in place where the grip will go.

b. Put the fiber glass cloth (2.) in place, saturated with epoxy.

c. Assemble the grip pieces (1.) with the glued edges in place with the screws well waxed for sure removal.

d. Once all is assembled & fitting, with a rag damp with alcohol, carefully clean off the excess epoxy, with not so much liquid alcohol to wash away our protective wax.

If after setup, disassembly is still stuck with epoxy, heat will melt the wax & free it. After removal, the fiberglass cloth around the ivorw will be a solid, easy filed off. Finally clean it all with an alcohol rag. I use Devcon 2 Ton clear epoxy, not the 5 minute. The fiberglass cloth is so thin its effect is negligible but strength is great. PM me your mailing address & I'll mail you a piece if you don't have it already ---->
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Gee, thank you, rhmc24. I will certainly bookmark this page for future reference!
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So now, the next question should be, "is it wise to shoot a mammoth wearing ivory with your 1911?"
In my experience ivory grips hold up pretty well, unless you take them through a civil war.

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