Rip-Off ALERT

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Bigfifty

Discussion Starter · Jan 9, 2014

Hey, guys....
Watch out for a guy that calls himself Jacob Torres. He tried to sell a Colt 1902 to me that is up for auction on Gun Auction by the rightful owner. Another *#[email protected]!#*$#@! scammer caught by one of our own Colt Forum Members (not me, he did a great favor to me by digging up the other auction). I won't name the member, but he knows who he is, and I thank him again.
He (Torres) got a very descriptive last reply from me that I'll leave up to your imagination as to what I told him

B50

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swamprat

· #2 · Jan 9, 2014

He offered to sell me some Hendricks belt buckles, and when I asked for pictures he sent me pictures that I had posted on the internet!

I am stringing him along for now to see how far he will go.

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coltsixguns

· #3 · Jan 10, 2014

I assume that he is watching this forum and probably more specifically the WTB threads. He contacted me a couple of days ago talking about having a single action army for sale but the condition was very vague and it sounded very rough on the few details he provided. I smelled a rat from his first email because of his poor use of the english language and told him no thanks.

ssgunnip

· #4 · Jan 10, 2014

He contacted me and tried to sell me one of my own guns LOL! He responded to my WTB ad for a Wilkerson 3" Combat Python. I asked for a pic of what he was selling and lo and behold.....a pic of one of my Wilkersons on my own study desk. What a menza!

saintclair

· #5 · Jan 10, 2014

If he reads this thread, I guess he will change his name, so we need to beware of anyone who has something to sell. That's a shame.

Major Dad

· #6 · Jan 10, 2014

I hope this guy is not another "sleeper" on our Forum!

swamprat

· #7 · Jan 10, 2014

He wanted me to send payment by wire to him in Fort Stockton, Tx, then wanted an extra $30 for shipping of the buckles. I told him that I have a buddy working on a drilling rig near Ft. Stockton, so to save money I will have my buddy call him and set up a meeting to buy the buckles and bring them to me. I asked for his telephone number, and he gave me a Pennsylvania area code number. I wrote him back about this, and am waiting for a response.

spud62

· #8 · Jan 10, 2014

Well, I was wondering how long it would take for the SCAMMERS to infiltrate the Colt Forum. It's getting to the point I will never buy anything off the web unless its a FTF meeting. It's a shame because there are so many good people out there and one bad apple ruins it for all.

MAM

· #9 · Jan 10, 2014

The scammers are everywhere, think Bernie Madoff, you just have to do as much due diligence as possible and then decide what level of comfort you have in pulling the deal off. Personally I have only done FTF on guns but on other things for my motorcycles and cars I have both bought and sold without ever meeting or for that matter even speaking to the buyer. Just be skeptical and if it is too good to be true.......

pjcarby

· #10 · Jan 10, 2014

We will hunt him down for you. No problem!

Colt-SL

· #11 · Jan 10, 2014

Thanks, appreciate the heads up.

hdfinder47

· #12 · Jan 10, 2014

I generally screw with scammers for as long as they will keep answering my emails - I figure as long as they are spending time trying to scam me they have less time to really scam someone more trusting. Guess I kinda got a mean streak.

WIL TERRY

· #13 · Jan 10, 2014

hdfinder47 said:
I generally screw with scammers for as long as they will keep answering my emails - I figure as long as they are spending time trying to scam me they have less time to really scam someone more trusting. Guess I kinda got a mean streak.

I LIKE THIS !!! I hope you turn 'em every which way but loose before doing the Manual-of-Arms with 'em and dropping 'em on their head.

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Bigfifty

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jan 10, 2014

I kinda wish I had messed with him a little longer. But my temper got the best of me, and I told him exactly what I thought of him. And believe me, it was VERY NASTY! I wonder why he hasn't tried to contact me again ???

LKN_shooter

· #15 · Jan 10, 2014

Just a couple of thoughts on this issue. I have done a few deals on this forum, only to buy something. All were outstanding.
In each example, via a couple of PM's, I quickly established a rapport with the seller. In each example the seller was sincere and honest.
In each example, somehow these people are my friends and we occasionally exchange personal emails. It simply doesn't get any better and if I had a need specific to their 'expertise' would ping and offer to buy something.
So, my take away from this is, on the other forums, Let The Buyer Beware. On this forum, it only takes a PM or two to know if you are dealing with the real deal or a dork. So far, I have not met the latter on this forum. Just do due diligence and thank you, you folks.

swamprat

· #16 · Jan 10, 2014

Timeline of an attempted scam........

READ FROM BOTTOM UP:

Yes, I have many doubts you idiot! You sent me pictures of my own buckles
that I posted with my "want to buy" ad! You are also trying to sell a
Wilkerson 3" Combat Python to the man that actually owns the gun & sent him
pictures of his own gun, & Colt 1902 that is posted on Gun Broker and
belongs to someone else.

KEEP LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER SCUMBAG, WE ARE COMING FOR YOU!

----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob torres" <[email protected]>
To: "Hugh Clark"
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Frank Hendricks belt buckles

Are you okay? how does that sound to you? i think you already have a
doubt, so if you have a doubt, you can just drop it, there are so many
buyers out there. bye

On 1/10/14, Hugh Clark wrote:
I don't understand, you said that you are in Ft. Stockton, Tx, but that
is a Pennsylvania phone number????

----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob torres" <[email protected]>
To: "Hugh Clark"
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Frank Hendricks belt buckles

724 682-0578

On 1/9/14, Hugh Clark wrote:
Jacob,
That seems awful high for mailing costs. I have a better idea to save
me some money. I have a buddy that is working on a drilling rig near Ft
Stockton. If you will give me your telephone number, I can have him
give you a call and make arrangements to meet you and pay for them.
Then he can bring them to me when he comes back this way.
Hugh
----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob torres" <[email protected]>
To: "Hugh Clark"
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Frank Hendricks belt buckles
Ok great, i will accept your offer, but i am adding $30 altogether
cause i will be shipping to you, if you accept this offer by me, let
me know so that i can provide you with what so ever details you need
to make payment, and you should provide your home address too for
delivery, thanks.
Torres

On 1/9/14, Hugh Clark wrote:
Yes, I want to buy all four for $160. I live out here on a ranch in
Webb Co Texas, it's pretty far out in the boondocks.
Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob torres" <[email protected]>
To: "Hugh Clark"
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: Frank Hendricks belt buckles
Ok, where are you located? and did you say you want to buy all four?
Rattle Snake, Lower Country bobcat, High country couger and the
Buffalo hunt?

On 1/9/14, Hugh Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
I would prefer that you send them by insured Priority Mail as I
live out in the country and Fedex/UPS won't deliver out here.
Give me your mailing address and I will send you a postal money
order.
Hugh
----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob torres" <[email protected]>
To: "Hugh Clark"
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: Frank Hendricks belt buckles
Ok, good, I will be shipping via UPS or FedEx whichever you
prefer and shall accept payment via Money gram as my PayPal is
dormant. What's your shipping address?
Information on how you will make payment:
Jacob Torres Fort Stockton ,texas 79735.

Let me know if payment has been made so that i can proceed on
shipping immediately.
Thanks

On 1/9/14, Hugh Clark wrote:
That sounds like a fair price. I think that I can afford to buy
all 4 buckles at that price. Where do I send the money?
Hugh
----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob torres" <[email protected]>
To: "Hugh Clark"
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: Frank Hendricks belt buckles

I am asking for $40 each.

On 1/8/14, Hugh Clark wrote:
What do you want for them?
Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob torres" <[email protected]>
To: "Hugh Clark"
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: Frank Hendricks belt buckles

pictures attached.
(He sent 3 pictures of SILVER buckles that I had posted in my WTB ad!)

On 1/8/14, Hugh Clark wrote:
Jacob,
Can you email me front & back pictures of the Lower Country
Bobcat & The High Country Couger?
Thanks, Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob torres" <[email protected]>
To: "Hugh Clark"
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Frank Hendricks belt buckles

They are all bronze.

On 1/8/14, Hugh Clark wrote:
Jacob,
Are they silver or bronze?
Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob torres" <[email protected]>
To: "Hugh Clark"
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: Frank Hendricks belt buckles

Hello Hugh, thanks for your response to my want to sell
email, i have the Rattle Snake, the lower country bobcat,
the high country couger and the buffalo hunt. let me know which
one you want,
thanks

Torres

On 1/7/14, Hugh Clark wrote:
Yes, I have bought several due to response from my ads.
What do you have?
Hugh
----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob torres" <[email protected]>
To: Hugh Clark
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 9:46 AM
Subject: WTB: Frank Hendricks belt buckles

Let me hear if you got any leads/order on your WTB ads
listed on my subject Email?? I have got some up for sale.

Thank you,

Torres

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grumpy

· #17 · Jan 10, 2014

That's funny, but we now there are more out there, so everyone be aware.

Bigfifty

Discussion Starter · #18 · Jan 10, 2014

LKN_shooter said:
Just a couple of thoughts on this issue. I have done a few deals on this forum, only to buy something. All were outstanding.
In each example, via a couple of PM's, I quickly established a rapport with the seller. In each example the seller was sincere and honest.
In each example, somehow these people are my friends and we occasionally exchange personal emails. It simply doesn't get any better and if I had a need specific to their 'expertise' would ping and offer to buy something.
So, my take away from this is, on the other forums, Let The Buyer Beware. On this forum, it only takes a PM or two to know if you are dealing with the real deal or a dork. So far, I have not met the latter on this forum. Just do due diligence and thank you, you folks.

I asked this jerk if he knew anyone on the Colt Forum. He said he was a member, but just joined, and didn't know anyone yet. Said a friend alerted him to my WTB ad, and he went from there.
When he said he didn't know anyone here on the Forum, I got that felling in my stomach that something was wrong.
I thought why didn't he contacted me thru a Private Message, or posted a reply in the WTB section? Not smart.

Chaffee

· #19 · Jan 11, 2014

Hugh's story reminds me of some email conversations that I read somewhere on the internet about people stringing the Nigerian scammers along. They made for some very entertaining reading.

gaucho1

· #20 · Jan 11, 2014

Chaffee said:
Hugh's story reminds me of some email conversations that I read somewhere on the internet about people stringing the Nigerian scammers along. They made for some very entertaining reading.

I have taken great pleasure stretching the conversation out as a very eager rube. Eventually when they can't close the deal, I let them go thinking they may have misplayed the pitch, "what could have been".

Must be a decent number of vulnerable people out there. Humans are pretty weird sometimes.

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