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I would price the turned boxless 1851 at 400-450 and the dragoon around 550 and up. There is a reason they are not selling and it is his price about 100 to 150 too high on both. Actually, if and only if you are interested in both, I would offer a grand for them with the money out in front of him when you make the offer (Ten 100 dollar bills right now does a lot of talking).
 
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