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Home from the Sydney Gun Show. Scored a 3rd gen New Frontier 44-40 and a '92 Winchester 32-20 that will probably show up on Old-Colt's Companion thread.

But the buy of the show came from a dealer who thought it was just another common spur-trigger suicide special and priced accordingly. It is a Colt New Police 38 known to collectors as the Cop and Thug due, to quote Flaydermans, "The low relief scene depicts a 'cop' arresting a 'thug' ". Only a few thousand made and relatively scarce. This one has some stains but retains most of it's bluing and clear etching and the grips are unmarked.


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According to Flaydermans they were found in serial number range 14450 to 21500 with New House and New Line models. This one is a bit higher at 21847.
 

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Congratulations, Tranter45. What a find! And, at what a price!!

The S&W round came out in 1896.

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Thanks for the comments gentlemen.

I think the .38 Colt New Police is the .38 S&W ctg?
As Dick pointed out the 38 S&W didn't appear on the scene until about a decade after the Cop and Thug was introduced. Haven't done any research yet but I suspect it used the same 38 Colt cartridge as did the '77 Lightning.
 

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Ummmm...if memory serve, the ".38 S & W" Cartridge debuted in 1877.


Unless I am mistaken -

I think the 'Cop & Thug' Revolver may actually be the 'Colt House' Revolver...and, was chambered for .38 Colt. ( Which is not the same Cartridge as ".38 Colt New Police" )

The 'Colt New Police' Revolver, was a later, DA small Frame, which more or less was succeeded by or evolved in to the 'Police Positive'...and, the 'Colt New Police' Cartridge, was introduced as the Colt version of the .38 S & W, for the Colt 'New Police' Revolver.


I think...Lol...
 

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Home from the Sydney Gun Show. Scored a 3rd gen New Frontier 44-40 and a '92 Winchester 32-20 that will probably show up on Old-Colt's Companion thread.

But the buy of the show came from a dealer who thought it was just another common spur-trigger suicide special and priced accordingly. It is a Colt New Police 38 known to collectors as the Cop and Thug due, to quote Flaydermans, "The low relief scene depicts a 'cop' arresting a 'thug' ". Only a few thousand made and relatively scarce. This one has some stains but retains most of it's bluing and clear etching and the grips are unmarked.


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According to Flaydermans they were found in serial number range 14450 to 21500 with New House and New Line models. This one is a bit higher at 21847.
What a great find!

I would sure love to have one of those myself.

They are so elegant and refined and interesting.
 

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It is always so interesting to read about great finds of Colt and S&W on other continents. Congratulations and I look forward to more pics int eh future.
 

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Boy, is my face red! Oyeboten is, of course, correct. 1876-1877 according to the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson. I was thinking of the .32 S&W Long, and can't think of any good reason why. 1896 is also when Colt began chambering the New Police DA .32 for the S&W round.

My apologies to all.

Dick
 

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Nice B&C example with a nice etch panel. More dear than a nickle example like mine below. The most sought after variation is the one in 41 CF.
 

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Nice B&C example with a nice etch panel. More dear than a nickle example like mine below. The most sought after variation is the one in 41 CF.http://s228.photobucket.com/user/rushbgood/media/DSC_22974583.jpg.htmlhttp://s228.photobucket.com/user/rushbgood/media/DSC_23014587.jpg.html
Flaydermans reports "only a few thousand made". I have not been able to find any breakdown of finishes, calibres or any other variations. Mine is blued - yours is a very nice nickelled example with perfect grips. I think it is the grips, and ejector, that makes this gun a bit special compared to it's Newline and House cousins. JMO.
 

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Just received a letter from Archives. Don't know how the London address got into the shipping details. Cowles & Dunn was a Sydney gunshop - perhaps they had an agent in London?

Internet extract. Charles Cowles, gunsmith and firearms dealer, was born on 8 March 1837 at Topcroft, Norfolk, England, son of James Cowles, publican, and his wife Honour, née Seago. On 28 February 1864 at Walworth, Surrey, Cowles married Cecilia Emma Dunn; with his employer, William Green, they migrated to Queensland. After moving to Sydney in 1865 Green became ill, decided to return to England and left the gunsmithing business he had established at 96 Market Street, Sydney, to Cowles. In 1867 he moved to 205 Pitt Street, and in December 1875 to Cannon House, 411 George Street. In 1885 he formed the partnership of Cowles, Dunn & Co. with his brother-in-law Arthur Dunn. About 1892 the name of the business changed to Cowles & Dunn, by which it was known until after World War II.

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