Isn't the 2nd gen colt 1851 navy made by Uberti? Why not shoot it and clean it? Enjoy your Colt repro.
To shoot, or NOT to shoot . . . ?
Hello all, just this week I was lucky to get a 1978 production (2nd generation) Colt 1851 Navy -- never fired. I have a safe full of nice Uberti replicas of 1851s, 1860s, '61s, Pockets, etc. and a couple of genuine Colts, including a never-fired U.S. Grant Commemorative 1851, along with a 1st generation '51 and Peacemaker. I shoot my Ubertis a lot, (I discovered cap & ball about a year ago and it's the most fun shooting activity I've ever known) but vowed never to shoot the Grant gun. So I bought this other 2nd generation Colt to SHOOT, but now I'm finding it so beautiful and perfect I just don't know if I can get myself to do that . . .
For those of you with both replicas and real Colts -- do you choose to shoot your Colts? I'm really torn. I bought this latest Colt Navy to SHOOT, but now I'm not sure . . . it's just so NICE. For whatever it's worth, I always use Triple Seven FFF substitute, never actual black powder.
Thanks!
For those of you with both replicas and real Colts -- do you choose to shoot your Colts? I'm really torn. I bought this latest Colt Navy to SHOOT, but now I'm not sure . . . it's just so NICE. For whatever it's worth, I always use Triple Seven FFF substitute, never actual black powder.
Thanks!
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As I understand it from my reading and research, the 2nd gen Colts are substantially made by Colt, using some Uberti parts. Colt will "letter" these guns, whereas the 3rd gen "Signature Series" Colts have much less work/fitting actually done by Colt (they are basically Ubertis with Colt markings and finish) and Colt will not issue letters for them. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong . . .Isn't the 2nd gen colt 1851 navy made by Uberti? Why not shoot it and clean it? Enjoy your Colt repro.
Here we go again. There are a couple of threads in this forum that have beat this thread to death already. 2nd Gen made by Colt in Hartford and NJ. 3rd Gen (Sig Series) were made under a license in Brooklyn NY 2nd and 3rd Gens made up of rough casings and parts from Italy and the US. None of them are made by Uberti.
I shoot a pair of 1861 and 1851 Navy 2nd Gens as well as collect them NIB.
I shoot a pair of 1861 and 1851 Navy 2nd Gens as well as collect them NIB.
With such a large following for percussion revolvers, how come they are no longer "made" in America?
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Because the Italians make 'em so cheap. Nonetheless, I think there still is a market for a good quality percussion revolver/SAA in the 600-800 dollar range.With such a large following for percussion revolvers, how come they are no longer "made" in America?
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I guess I compromise on the issue of shooting or not. I like to find 2nd gen Colts that are not exactly 98% or 100% condition and shoot them. I have a Uberti 1861 from Lone Hunter that I shoot because I had bought a Colt 2nd gen 1861 that was 100% and just couldn't bring myself to shoot it. I had a US Grant in the case with accessories but I couldn't shoot it so I sold it. But I found a US Grant all by its lonesome with no case or accessories and it is my best shooter.
I have a Colt 2nd generation '51 Navy and shoot it occasionally, but I do prefer the later larger round trigger guard found on most re-pops for shooting. My Colt was made to shoot and I shoot it. I have never had a fancy engraved or comm. gun and won't. I like plain old fixed sight revolvers and self-loaders, preferably with a Colt roll mark.
Here we go again. They are marked "Colt"!
Here we go again. They are marked "Colt"!
And so are the .22 caliber 1911 style made by Walther and the Amarex (spelling?) BB guns that have "Colt" emblazoned on their barrels. Also, Colt knives are made in China. Using a U.S. based company's name, does not automatically mean that the company is the manufacturer of the product.
They do have to be marked with country of origin. That doesn't necessarily mean it's made by company whose name is on the product...it could still be made by a subcontractor.
I know what you mean Greg. I've got the same problem. Bought a new 2nd generation Colt 3rd Model Dragoon with the intention of shooting it. But it's so nice, I can't bring myself to shoot it yet. Have had it for 30 years and am beginning to think that it's probably not going to get shot. In the indecisive intervening years, the Uberti Colt copies have done much to compensate for not shooting the Colt. You might want to compensate in a likewise manner while you decide what to do with the Colt.
Cyclone, thanks . . . this past Saturday's range trip, I found myself taking one of my Uberti copies -- and not my "new" 2nd Gen Navy. Just can't get myself to shoot it -- yet, anyway. And we all know, it's not the SHOOTING, but the CLEANING afterward that really puts the miles on these C&B guns.I know what you mean Greg. I've got the same problem. Bought a new 2nd generation Colt 3rd Model Dragoon with the intention of shooting it. But it's so nice, I can't bring myself to shoot it yet. Have had it for 30 years and am beginning to think that it's probably not going to get shot. In the indecisive intervening years, the Uberti Colt copies have done much to compensate for not shooting the Colt. You might want to compensate in a likewise manner while you decide what to do with the Colt.
We don't have the problem here in the UK. With a few exceptions, if you don't shoot it you can't own it.
In UK firearms law we have to have a 'Reason to possess' and the usual reason is to shoot and that means you have to prove that you shoot each and every gun at least 3 time a year.
In UK firearms law we have to have a 'Reason to possess' and the usual reason is to shoot and that means you have to prove that you shoot each and every gun at least 3 time a year.
I have divided shooters and non shooters strictly by generation. I don't shoot any of my first gen SAAs or cap and ball. I shoot my second gen SAAs and cap and ball. Although I do break this rule for the couple of commemorative SAAs I have, a second generation S&W model 3, and a fluted second gen 1860. To me, the second generation means shoot.
I like to shoot all my guns at least a few times. The only exceptions are if one is in a difficult to get caliber, or is really special and fantastic condition. Like my pre-war ACE, in 99%, I have never shot. My 2nd Gen 1851 Navy was unfired when I got it a few years ago. I've fired it at least 6-7 times now. I don't care that it's $600 mint value may go down to $450 slightly worn value. It's too fun to just let it sit in a dark safe my lifetime for a couple hundred dollars of value. My pleasure shooting it is worth that much.
They were made to shoot, shoot em! The only guns I never shot were guns I wasn't interested in shooting anyway that were trades that moved along soon. Otherwise, if I bought it, wanting it, I shot it.
Krag, I hear ya, but I was raised by a man who set up a virtual museum in the house. He loved to shoot, but only his modern guns. I'm learning to shoot more of my collection, thanks to you guys and some friends who could care less about collecting. They want me to open up my safe of toys!
Never let someone else decide what to do with your guns. What they do with theirs has no bearing on what you do with yours.
There is a thread elsewhere on the forum of a beautiful collection of early colts in remarkably pristine condition. If every owner in the past had used them for a shooter there wouldn't be such treasures today.
There is a thread elsewhere on the forum of a beautiful collection of early colts in remarkably pristine condition. If every owner in the past had used them for a shooter there wouldn't be such treasures today.
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