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I like the early Colt guns because of their history. There is no actual history (other than imbued) with a replica. To be sure, I own a few replicas. It allows me to shoot guns like an Open Top without using my original.
 
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How much does Uberti charge to put some finish on their guns?
Cimmarron charges about $700 on top of the gun's retail price for what is called the "US finish". They send them to Turnbull for final finishing, at least they used to. I have one from the 90's that has held up very well.
 

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I do wish Colt's fit and finish was on par with their cost. Sadly that has not been my experience.
This is my 2018 SAA which has a fit and finish that I don't find wanting in any way (sorry, crappy photo). I'm curious, what are the current Colt's lacking?

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This one shoots very small groups that are on par with my 1979 Python. Sights are perfectly regulated for 255gr ammo, and 200gr regulates very well also. I will admit the trigger did have a little creep when I first got it, but pull weight was right at 4.15lbs.

Just this weekend, I was shooting with a friend who owns a gun shop. He was shooting a 2020 Nickel SAA and his looked better than mine, and shot every bit as well as mine.

So what's wrong with current SAA's?
 

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There is nothing lacking with any of the current Colt SAA's. Everything Ive owned made from 2005 and up have had perfect fit and finish. Some action work needed on a couple of them due to some roughness inside the frames and some over springing but nothing major. I was pretty convinced that the newer 3rd gens were the best fitted and finished guns that Colt has ever made until I saw an exceptional 1962 4 3/4" 45 Nickel Plated 2nd gen last week. It literally appeared to have a one piece from with integrated trigger guard and backstrap, all machined from one piece of stock. Thats how good the parts were fitted. I could see a difference in the nickel finish too. I don't usually go gaga overt 2dn gens but that one blew me away.
 

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Well, I haven't...


Colt SAA
...Indian Sambar Stag Antler stocks






Uberti Schofield clone...African Giraffe Bone stocks






Uberti 1875 Remington clone...American Bull Elk Antler stocks






Ruger Bisley Vaquero...American Bison Horn stocks






...I like 'em all !!

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This is my 2018 SAA which has a fit and finish that I don't find wanting in any way (sorry, crappy photo). I'm curious, what are the current Colt's lacking?

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This one shoots very small groups that are on par with my 1979 Python. Sights are perfectly regulated for 255gr ammo, and 200gr regulates very well also. I will admit the trigger did have a little creep when I first got it, but pull weight was right at 4.15lbs.

Just this weekend, I was shooting with a friend who owns a gun shop. He was shooting a 2020 Nickel SAA and his looked better than mine, and shot every bit as well as mine.

So what's wrong with current SAA's?
This is whats wrong with mine.




There is no comparison in quality between the two Colt SAA's I own and the USFA that I own, or even most Uberti's i've had the chance to examine. There is no denying that Colt has put out some grossly subpar work. My 3rd gen is better than my 2nd gen, but its still nowhere near as good as my USFA.
 

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That's a 2nd gen gun...

Your statement...
"I do wish Colt's fit and finish was on par with their cost. Sadly that has not been my experience."
That statement sounds present tense.

I'm not seeing such things on current manufacture guns.
 

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I'd say that nickle SAA fit and finish is on par with it's cost. In 1969 it was only $112.
 

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That's a 2nd gen gun...

Your statement...
"I do wish Colt's fit and finish was on par with their cost. Sadly that has not been my experience."
That statement sounds present tense.

I'm not seeing such things on current manufacture guns.
This thread isn't only about current production guns. That's a caveat you are using in order to exclude the substantial periods of time and many examples of guns that display a level of quality that is indeed subpar compared to their cost.

I love my Colts for what they are, but there is no getting around that in MANY examples, you are paying a substantial premium for nothing more than the Colt name.
 

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I'd say that nickle SAA fit and finish is on par with it's cost. In 1969 it was only $112.
The nickel is nice. The gap between the frame and trigger guard that is big enough to see light through and pass a piece of paper easily is not. $112 in 1969 is about $800 today. An $800 gun should not have those kind of gaps.
 

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How do you know some owner in the past 57 years didn't allow some ammonia based solvent to seep between the frame and trigger guard, loosening the Nickle plate? I see green verdigris in the screw hole there. My hypothesis was it was good when it left the factory.
 

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We pay these enormous prices for old Colts and just take a look at my Uberti. A 2006 Model with the old west finish that fools everyone that sees it. Its a great gun! Perfect timing and locks up like a vault. 4 distinct clicks and a 3.5 lb trigger with no creep. Yeah, I did some work to it but still... I cant complain about anything about it. Colt has taken advantage of us for years but I guess as long as we pay their prices for new guns, we can't blame anyone but ourselves. If it was a $500.00 price difference, that would be one thing but when we are talking $1200-1500.00, its insane. Enjoy the pictures of my $500.00 Uberti ;)

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But I hope it wasn't made in China, or some other "friendly" country.
 

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How do you know some owner in the past 57 years didn't allow some ammonia based solvent to seep between the frame and trigger guard, loosening the Nickle plate? I see green verdigris in the screw hole there. My hypothesis was it was good when it left the factory.
There is no verdigris in the screw hole, that is a bit of lint or a bit of wax from its last waxing. If you look through the gap it is completely uniform. There is no lifting of the nickel plate. That gap is just one in a long list of fit and finish discrepancies, if you read the thread in the link I posted. I do like my 1969 and its a genuine Colt. I am personally willing to pay more for a genuine Colt but i'm not going to fool myself into thinking its a better gun than others that are doing it better at a substantially less cost. I'll admit to myself that in my case i'm willingly paying for the name, the history, the prestige, and the privilege of a genuine Colt.
 

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Even though Italy is a socialist nation, the situation does give one pause. Their EU labor costs must be up there. So, what does that tell us about the State of Connecticut?
 
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Even though Italy is a socialist nation, the situation does give one pause. Their EU labor costs must be up there. So, what does that tell us about the State of Connecticut?
Italy is a capitalist nation; the government does not own the means of production, nor is the economy centrally controlled.
 

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And who is that?
Well, I paid half as much for my USFA than I did for my 3rd gen Colt, and the USFA has a much better fit and finish. The last few Uberti's I've seen have had much better fitment than my Colts do. My Ruger has better build quality than my Colts. My US Arms Abilene has a better build quality than my Colts do. Believe it or not, my two Colts have the lowest build quality of most, if not all of my SA's, and I paid almost as much for one Colt as I did for the rest of my SA's combined.

Now, I'm willing to attribute some of these fitment issues with the nickel plating requiring looser tolerances between parts, but even given the finish there are issues with my Colts and I've personally seen and owned much cheaper guns that don't have these issues.
 

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Well, I paid half as much for my USFA than I did for my 3rd gen Colt, and the USFA has a much better fit and finish. The last few Uberti's I've seen have had much better fitment than my Colts do. My Ruger has better build quality than my Colts. My US Arms Abilene has a better build quality than my Colts do. Believe it or not, my two Colts have the lowest build quality of most, if not all of my SA's, and I paid almost as much for one Colt as I did for the rest of my SA's combined.

Now, I'm willing to attribute some of these fitment issues with the nickel plating requiring looser tolerances between parts, but even given the finish there are issues with my Colts and I've personally seen and owned much cheaper guns that don't have these issues.
We need more details on your Colts. Just saying "3rd gen" doesnt cut it. When were they made? Lots of variations in quality through the 3rd gen years.
 
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We need more details on your Colts. Just saying "3rd gen" doesnt cut it. When were they made? Lots of variations in quality through the 3rd gen years.
Exactly my point. There are substantial periods in time and many examples of Colts that don't cut it quality wise when you compare their prices to other SA's. If you have to avoid decades worth of production or look over guns from those time periods very carefully, Its pretty safe to say that yes, you can easily pay much more for a Colt SAA that is of lesser quality than many replicas.

I personally don't think I got "hosed" on my Colts, but they are measurably and provably of lesser build quality than competing replicas you can purchase for much less.

The way I read it, the OP's point is that you can find a replica that is of comparable build quality to many older Colts for a fraction of the price. I agree with this sentiment, I have in my collection firm examples of this. I also agree with many of the arguments here about the aura and history of a real Colt SAA being unparalleled, or I wouldn't have bought the Colts I have.
 
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