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Rock Island Armory...Ultra FS {Full Size}...Series 70...8+1
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Gun Specifications
Type:Pistol
Produced:2013 -
Caliber:10mm
Action:Recoil Operated Semi Automatic
Trigger:Single Action
Safety:Grip Safety, Ambi Thumb Safety
Magazine:8 Rounds
Frame:Parkerized Steel
Stocks:G10 Composite
Sights:Fiber Optic Front, Adjustable Rear
Notes:Full Size (FS)

Gun DimensionsWidth:1.313"
Length:8.75"Height:5.5"
Barrel:5"Weight:40 ounces

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Rock Island Armory...Ultra FS HC {High Capacity}...Series 70...16+1
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Gun Specifications
Type:Pistol
Produced:2013 -
Caliber:10mm
Action:Recoil Operated Semi Automatic
Trigger:Single Action
Safety:Grip Safety, Ambi Thumb Safety
Magazine:16 Rounds
Frame:Parkerized Steel
Stocks:G10 Composite
Sights:Fiber Optic Front, Adjustable Rear
Notes:Full Size (FS) / High Capacity (HC)

Gun DimensionsWidth:1.313"
Length:8.75"Height:5.5"
Barrel:5"Weight:46.4 ounces


Well, It ain't a Colt...but it's got all the bells and whistles that a Delta Elite don't...at half the price.

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Any of you guys able to shoot 40 S&w out of your Deltas? I have a 1989 that had been flawless with any 10mm I’ve ever tried but becomes a single shot with 40. I must admit that I do keep the factory Colt springs fresh.
I think it was on the reloading forum where someone posted about shooting the 40 out of a Glock 10mm. While it may work, but if the firing pin drove the cartridge past the extractor, you could a bomb in your hand. either download or buy downloaded 10mm or buy a barrel.
 
I have owned a Delta for a number of years now. It's an early one, made in 89, but it's an incredibly reliable and accurate gun. One of the very best I own.
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I really like the newer versions with the beaver tail grip safety. Although I did see one like yours that looked brand new in the box at our last gun show for a reasonable price.
 
Hi Folks, quick question here. I know there has been a bit of a surge in 10mm popularity lately. I have been thinking about picking up a Delta Elite for my personal collection. I read once that it is one of the staples a Colt 1911 collector should consider. I am not sure of the merit to that. I am curious what some of your thoughts are on the collectability of the recent production Delta Elite's?
When you start talking about "merit" as regards collectibility, it's all gonna depend on who's setting the merit.

My opinion? Well, okay, if you're gonna drag it outta me. Uh-oh, wait a second, is it okay to use the word "drag"? Well, anyway, I look at the 10mm and its collectibility the same way I look at the .40 S&W. I see it as a niche cartridge, the solution to a need that doesn't exist.

If I am going to collect something, it's going to be something with a history of collectibility to it. .45ACP, .38 Super, .45 Colt, .44 Special, etc., etc. If it isn't a cartridge with that history, then it'll be a history associated with a group of people...like the Texas Rangers for example, or the Marines.

You asked for some thoughts? Those are some of mine, for whatever they're worth to anyone who's reading 'em.
 
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When you start talking about "merit" as regards collectibility, it's all gonna depend on who's setting the merit.

My opinion? Well, okay, if you're gonna drag it outta me. Uh-oh, wait a second, is it okay to use the word "drag"? Well, anyway, I look at the 10mm and its collectibility the same way I look at the .40 S&W. I see it as a niche cartridge, the solution to a need that doesn't exist.

If I am going to collect something, it's going to be something with a history of collectibility to it. .45ACP, .38 Super, .45 Colt, .44 Special, etc., etc. If it isn't a cartridge with that history, then it'll be a history associated with a group of people...like the Texas Rangers for example, or the Marines.

You asked for some thoughts? Those are some of mine, for whatever they're worth to anyone who's reading 'em.
Thanks Jim. I do appreciate all perspectives...I definitely appreciate sticking to less risky investments as well. I have not had a Delta Elite come through my hands yet. This will at least give me a chance to handle it and then decide what I am going to do with it. I either fall in love with them or I move on to the next obsession.
 
Any decent Colt, original Delta Elite is an excellent investment. Longtime lurker.
That said, I do not care for the 10mm cartridge and it's a direct result of the very early Colt 1911 platform. I had endless problems with a very early Delta Elite as pictured above, rubber stocks, etc. It was very early.
Some history of why!
I could not get cases; the only ammunition I could get was Norma, for which the Colt platform was inadequate; 200 grain bullets at who-knows-what-velocity, and I retrieved maybe 1 of 5 of the brass, seeing as how it kicked 30 feet away. There were routinely hard brass marks on the slide because the gun was badly timed and the case came out so fast it hit the mouth on the slide. Colt prevaricated. Next up was Hornady, not so bad but not great either, 180 grains; but all this came in boxes of 20 at outrageous cost. I recall Norma was 65 cents a round in maybe 1989? that was a lot of money when .38 Special could be had for $6/50.
Magazines were also a huge problem: my DE came with a magazine with a solid floorplate, but other Colt brand magazines came with that nipple thing, and on the first round dumped all the cartridges out of the bottom of the gun from the recoil, which was barely controllable as the slide hit so hard. 'WHAP'!
All this was complicated by buying Lyman dies that weren't bored concentrically and damaged every case I managed to retrieve. Because nobody made dies. Powders were also an issue at the time: nobody knew how to reload it and I recall AA #9 was my go-to, IF I could get it, and maybe AA #7? WW231 would barely get you past .45ACP performance which wasn't even worth it.
I got on the phone with Hornady and they basically told me to load it down to .45 ACP levels. What was the point of that?
The Norma brass was also incredibly hard, I've not sure why; may have been the dies, may have been the brass, but it was hard. I had to use lube with Lyman carbide dies I spent a lot of money for, and they trashed the cases anyway.
Properly sized jacketed bullets were also a major problem.
Oddest experience was walking by a gun store in Budapest Hungary in 1993 and seeing a Colt Delta Elite 10mm in the window! I walked in and talked to the owner, he said he'd had it for 3 years.
I'm sure it's a great cartridge, NOW, after the bugs have been worked out, but man, those early days were a nightmare. I finally sold mine to a guy I worked with who just liked it, with 50 rounds of factory ammo, 4 magazines, for USD$400. I was sick of it. I bought the gun brand new for USD$450. At that point I was delighted to off it.
I forgot to mention all the metal was so sharp I was badly cut within the first 3 rounds by the front and back straps, and the trigger guard.
My opinion is, early Colt DE 10mms belong in collections. They were not ready for prime time. I would not even consider owning one ever again except as a collectible. Yes, I had Bad Luck and shouldn't blame the combination but I made my choice, and I won't do it again. I won't own another 10mm.
I got sprayed by a skunk.
I anticipate a bunch of hate about this, and I'm not trying to start a fight, really, but I believed Colonel Cooper and got one, very early, thinking Yeah, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but found at least the Colt variant and ammunition available at the time, was dog meet dog.
I think it's an excellent investment! Much better than say a Colt 2000, which I handled at the time and went, Eh.
Now, with the 10mm being codified and dimensions standardized and such, it's a different story and it's matured; but I'm like...
Pass.
Good investment though; the early ones went through hands like mine, where I grew to hate both the platform and the cartridge. I boxed my Delta Elite 10mm and returned to carrying a S&W M19. They were that bad.
 
Any decent Colt, original Delta Elite is an excellent investment. Longtime lurker.
That said, I do not care for the 10mm cartridge and it's a direct result of the very early Colt 1911 platform. I had endless problems with a very early Delta Elite as pictured above, rubber stocks, etc. It was very early.
Some history of why!
I could not get cases; the only ammunition I could get was Norma, for which the Colt platform was inadequate; 200 grain bullets at who-knows-what-velocity, and I retrieved maybe 1 of 5 of the brass, seeing as how it kicked 30 feet away. There were routinely hard brass marks on the slide because the gun was badly timed and the case came out so fast it hit the mouth on the slide. Colt prevaricated. Next up was Hornady, not so bad but not great either, 180 grains; but all this came in boxes of 20 at outrageous cost. I recall Norma was 65 cents a round in maybe 1989? that was a lot of money when .38 Special could be had for $6/50.
Magazines were also a huge problem: my DE came with a magazine with a solid floorplate, but other Colt brand magazines came with that nipple thing, and on the first round dumped all the cartridges out of the bottom of the gun from the recoil, which was barely controllable as the slide hit so hard. 'WHAP'!
All this was complicated by buying Lyman dies that weren't bored concentrically and damaged every case I managed to retrieve. Because nobody made dies. Powders were also an issue at the time: nobody knew how to reload it and I recall AA #9 was my go-to, IF I could get it, and maybe AA #7? WW231 would barely get you past .45ACP performance which wasn't even worth it.
I got on the phone with Hornady and they basically told me to load it down to .45 ACP levels. What was the point of that?
The Norma brass was also incredibly hard, I've not sure why; may have been the dies, may have been the brass, but it was hard. I had to use lube with Lyman carbide dies I spent a lot of money for, and they trashed the cases anyway.
Properly sized jacketed bullets were also a major problem.
Oddest experience was walking by a gun store in Budapest Hungary in 1993 and seeing a Colt Delta Elite 10mm in the window! I walked in and talked to the owner, he said he'd had it for 3 years.
I'm sure it's a great cartridge, NOW, after the bugs have been worked out, but man, those early days were a nightmare. I finally sold mine to a guy I worked with who just liked it, with 50 rounds of factory ammo, 4 magazines, for USD$400. I was sick of it. I bought the gun brand new for USD$450. At that point I was delighted to off it.
I forgot to mention all the metal was so sharp I was badly cut within the first 3 rounds by the front and back straps, and the trigger guard.
My opinion is, early Colt DE 10mms belong in collections. They were not ready for prime time. I would not even consider owning one ever again except as a collectible. Yes, I had Bad Luck and shouldn't blame the combination but I made my choice, and I won't do it again. I won't own another 10mm.
I got sprayed by a skunk.
I anticipate a bunch of hate about this, and I'm not trying to start a fight, really, but I believed Colonel Cooper and got one, very early, thinking Yeah, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but found at least the Colt variant and ammunition available at the time, was dog meet dog.
I think it's an excellent investment! Much better than say a Colt 2000, which I handled at the time and went, Eh.
Now, with the 10mm being codified and dimensions standardized and such, it's a different story and it's matured; but I'm like...
Pass.
Good investment though; the early ones went through hands like mine, where I grew to hate both the platform and the cartridge. I boxed my Delta Elite 10mm and returned to carrying a S&W M19. They were that bad.
Nope - no hate. At least not from me.
Early on was an EPIC pain. Bren 10 longing then anguish.
No ammo - then stupid high price then low power...
Bren and Colt blaming magazines, magazine makers blaming ammo, ammo maker blaming guns gun makers blaming springs, spring makers blaming chambers..... NIGHT-MARE! Reloading? presses, dies, primers powders... HOW MUCH powder.... Will the brass last, supported chambers....

Then.... there was the FBI's adopting it for both the fan-boy good and the ill followed by dumbing down the cartridge for the lowest common denominators leading to the 10mm-short/kurz and another set of rides on the blame merry-go-round.
With all that it's survived and the current state of it - I'm so glad that Colt never really gave up on it.
 
My first centerfire handgun was a blue Colt Delta Elite made in 1989. In 1992 I traded a 5” 610 for it so I could start shooting USPSA. It ran like a Swiss watch.

I later owned many other Deltas after that one. I scored an unfired 1988 blue model with box at a large Colt sale initiated by a widow. I loaded 1,000 rounds of lead 180 gr over WSP and filled a Vietnam era ammo box. My dad and I broke it in together in one range setting. It never malfunctioned. We stopped shooting several times to let it cool down. We set a large sheet out to catch the brass.

I once had one that looked like a 1991A1 but in 10mm. It was cool and I wish I still had it.

At the time I was a custom 1911 snob as I was addicted to USPSA and IDPA. I used a single stack 10mm for IDPA and a Strayer-Voigt 18 round 1911 for USPSA, both in 10mm. This was at a time when the 10mm was declared on life support.

My addication was fed by two large plastic bins of 10mm brass given to me by an FBI agent. The cases had the weird burn marks on them from the HK MP5/10 he’d been firing at a training.

I have owned three different third generation Smith 10mm autos, many 610s, a Ruger Buckeye 10mm/.38-40, a Springfield Omega 6” and a boring Glock 20. They’ve all been keepers, but Delta Elites in their various forms are by far my favorite.

I even have several boxes of the 10mm 190 gr. Federal load developed for the FBI’s MP5s that supposedly were better at defeating auto glass. That’s neat stuff. Remember the X load Federal on the cover of the National RIfleman when the FBI announced the 1076? I managed to score some of that too.

You know that lunatic in your neighborhood that still rants about the benefits of column shifters and leaded gas? That was me about the 10mm. 😅

I only have one Colt 10mm now, a Delta Gold Cup Enhanced, as I mainly shoot revolvers in terms of handguns. The drooling, rabid loyalty is mostly under control, unless you were to see all the framed vintage Delta Elite ads hanging all around my reloading bench.


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The 10mm Colt Cooper tested for Guns & Ammo was not a Delta Elite, it was a MKIV, I have that magazine around here someplace.
The first 10mm I had was an Auto Ordnance and it had something to be desired, but it shot okay. I didn't reload for the 10mm until some years later as I had to sell that A. O.
 
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Magazines were also a huge problem: my DE came with a magazine with a solid floorplate, but other Colt brand magazines came with that nipple thing, and on the first round dumped all the cartridges out of the bottom of the gun from the recoil, which was barely controllable as the slide hit so hard. 'WHAP'!
I bought a brand new stainless Delta Elite in 1989 and had even worse problems. I ordered mine through a local dealer (RIP) with real elephant ivory grips and an extra magazine from Colt. It took maybe 6 weeks to arrive. The second shot from the first magazine the floorplate fell out and all the ammunition too. I switched magazines and fired another couple rounds before the front sight disappeared into the grass. Then I noticed one of the ivory grip panels was cracked from screw hole to screw hole.

Long story short Colt told the dealer to give me a full refund. I took it. I sold the ammo (Norma) with the empty brass for about what I paid for it which was a lot.
 
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