I would have to see the serial number area a little better.

 

Hmmm, no ordnance wheel, no sub-inspector stamps on the trigger guard and no P on the frame.

 

I don't own it. It is in a collection I am considering buying.

 

3 digit serial number means Remington Rand "Demonstration Pistol" and were assembled for "in house use" only. Most were presented to company officials, key employees, and other military and civilian personnel associated with the pistol program. There was a total of approximately 150 assembled. I don't have any estimates on value, but I would guess BIG BUCKS. Congrats on finding one!!!

Previously know 3 digit serial numbers include #127, 128, 130, 131, 135, 136, 140, and 144.

 

All the pictures of Remington Rand Demonstration guns I have located show them with just a 3 digit number on them. No FJA, no United States Property, no M 1911 U S Army, and no No preceding the serial number?

 

http://www.coolgunsite.com/images/1911/RR%20Errs/remington_rand_m1911a1_remington.htm

 

That's true, I didn't think of that...

 

Their "regular" production serial numbers began at 916405.

 

That looks like something very special, with what I can see of it.
Looks promising enough that I'd go online and look up some heavy hitting collectors and start making contact,
Start doing some research on Remington Rand demo pistols.
Did it come with a kraft box? The box and pistol together would be an incredible package and many of those demo pistols are still with the box, as it left the factory. It should look like this:

If you pursue the sale, make sure if there is a box, that it is included with the pistol. The inclusion of an authentic box would raise the value significantly, along with any other paperwork or magazines that came with the gun.

 

Thanks for the information. The owner said he might have some paper work. I'll post what I find out.

 

That is a very nice pistol congratulations !!

 

I see an ordnance wheel... uh, maybe I don't. Can't tell from the pics. But it certainly looks like there is no 'P' behind the trigger on the left side. No rebuild initials. All other slide and frame markings seem present and accounted for.

Not an ERRS pistol as described in the link above.

Temper lines visible on the slide.

My take on the serial is NO 18XX, so it is four digits and not three. Still, very unusual.

Head scratcher. NICE looking gun.

 

IT IS ONLY 3 DIGITS

 

The numerals don't appear to be the same as the ones being used by Remington when the underline o in No was being used in the serial number. The Remington numbers had a flat top 1, where the pistol shown has a slanted top 1.

Also has the FJA acceptance mark, but no ordnance mark?

 

The numerals don't appear to be the same as the ones being used by Remington when the underline o in No was being used in the serial number. The Remington numbers had a flat top 1, where the pistol shown has a slanted top 1.

Also has the FJA acceptance mark, but no ordnance mark?

We were all sort of hoping you would know!!!

 

The M 1911A1 U.S. ARMY location on the right front of receiver isn't correct for Remington Rand either. Terrible photos, but from what can be seen looks like a fantasy piece.

 

Good call.

Here is the usual location of M 1911A1 U.S. ARMY

 

It does look very much like this Ithaca.

Ithaca M1911A1 45ACP SN:1266004 MFG:1944 - Navy

This Ithaca M1911A1 was shipped to the Supply officer at the Naval Supply Depot in Oakland, California on February 17th, 1944 in a 7,500 gun shipment. This pistol was in the same shipment as 12647734 that can be seen here. The inspector stamp of FJA is for Colonel Frank J. Atwood. He was the...

www.oldcolt.com

 

It still doesn't have an acceptance mark, the serial number font is wrong for an Ithaca also, doesn't have the typical Ithaca inspection mark, and then there is the serial number.

 

Remington Rand slide, Ithaca frame, questionable at best (totally fake at worst) serial number in a range never produced by Ithaca. The one in that serial number not used by Ithaca or Remington Rand. Very close examination of that serial number area may show remnants of a previous serial number. That pistol may be an attempt at faking a Remington Rand demonstration pistol. Caution should be used with that one.

 

There is nothing to indicate what the receiver was originally. A shot of the top of the receiver might help.

 

Looks nothing like the Ithaca frame I have. U.S. Army on my Ithaca is in a different spot, and the 1 is the flat top one. And as Jimmy2Dogs pointed out, it has no Ithaca stamps on the trigger guard, as my Ithaca has. Don't know what it is, but I'd be willing to bet it isn't an Ithaca frame...

 

I'm going this weekend to inventory the collection, I will get more pictures and see if the seller has any documentation.

Mark

 

Remington Rand slide. 3 digit serial number. FJA inspector mark. Can anyone tell me about this firearm and its value. I'm not familiar with 1911's.

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Remington Rand slide. 3 digit serial number. FJA inspector mark. Can anyone tell me about this firearm and its value. I'm not familiar with 1911's.

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Remington Rand slide. 3 digit serial number. FJA inspector mark. Can anyone tell me about this firearm and its value. I'm not familiar with 1911's.

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I have never seen a "Demonstration Pistol " that I have known to come from a reliable source so I have always Been Skeptical. Not saying it didn't happen because not everyone encounters everything. I know of the ERRS guns as I owned the set of #61 (Colt Exp61, Ithaca Exp61, US&S Exp61 and Rem ERRS61). We Had aquired them from the son of a former Colt VP. I thought these were what was referred to as the Demonstration Pistols But I guess I was wrong.

 

You guys are a wealth of knowledge! And this is a Colt Forum. I've got a Remington Rand in the safe I'm gonna throw up here this weekend and let you opine on it.

 

I'm sure anxious to see photos of the Colt, Ithaca, and US&S Exp61 guns.

 

I am usually a lurker, but I do have a few CMP 1911s. Just about all the above comments have merit. I would avoid it as it has no real collector value, IMHO. If it was a shooter I might go for it, at a shooter price.