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Found a just posted really nice 1917 1911 US Army on GB for sale

4.2K views 19 replies 14 participants last post by  Jimmy2Dogs  
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If I didn't already have a nice example, I would be tempted to make a run at this one! GB auction number 974415572 SN 177371, original finish with a nice rig. Paul
 
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Did you notice that the rollmark font type on the slide and frame are different? I know 1917 is the year Colt made that rollmark transition. So it may be possible that one just happen during roll die transition period? But without concrete proof, I believe it is going to hurt the value in the eyes of collectors.

Slide - serif font
frame - sans-serif font

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Did you notice that the rollmark font type on the slide and frame are different? I know 1917 is the year Colt made that rollmark transition. So it may be possible that one just happen during roll die transition period? But without concrete proof, I believe it is going to hurt the value in the eyes of collectors.

Slide - serif font
frame - sans-serif font

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I just want to point out the discrepancy on rollmark font type. If the pistol was not made in 1917, I will say for sure it is mismatched slide/frame. But Colt transitioned to sans serif rollmark during 1917, it may be possible that mismatch occurred when Colt transitioning to new roll dies. If you ask collectors, they would probably avoid paying full market price on that one since it is inconclusive whether slide/frame left the factory together.
This exact same issue (if it's really an "issue") has been dogging me for eight years now...since 2015 when I bought a 1918 Colt. It's been discussed at least twice on this forum...once at length, I think. I'm just too lazy this morning to search for the threads.

But anyway, in those discussions about my pistol, I don't recall anyone mentioning this transition period during which "mismatched" slides and frames were put together into a complete pistol to meet wartime demands. I've stopped "worrying" about it, because I realize I'll never have an answer as to whether my pistol's one of those transitional guns. My pistol shipped, by the way, on February 6, 1918...one of 4000 shipped to Springfield Armory.

I have no interest in selling the pistol, anyway, so don't much care what value collectors might assign to it. I've shot the gun on several occasions, and as I've said in other threads, at 105-years-old, it still does what it was made to do. No complaints from me.

Sorry for the thread drift.


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I just want to point out the discrepancy on rollmark font type. If the pistol was not made in 1917, I will say for sure it is mismatched slide/frame. But Colt transitioned to sans serif rollmark during 1917, it may be possible that mismatch occurred when Colt transitioning to new roll dies. If you ask collectors, they would probably avoid paying full market price on that one since it is inconclusive whether slide/frame left the factory together.
 
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Here is a pic of the serial number, 177371

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I have witnessed a few in this general serial range which had both serif letters on the slide, and non-serif on the frame. A matter of pre-manufactured slides being used up in the fitting process.

I have one from 13,000 units later with the same mix of fonts.

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Note a series of dents/scuffs on the front of my frame that continue on to the slide. Perhaps someone who put this gun together purposefully created the scuffs to complete the deception of placing an older slide on a newer frame? You decide. But the condition of both main pieces are so consistent, it would be hard to believe that someone robbed excellent parts from two excellent guns, just to make one questionable pairing.

The same mismatched font and excellent parts situation with the GB offering.

Just my thoughts...
 
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My 1917 Setup. 1911 appears to be all original still. Lots of honest wear and tear makes me believe this pistol has seen some things - if only they could talk.....

BTW - All Font makings are Serif with the exception of the 'N' in the serial number. It appears to be Sans-Serif