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Is this a sign of bad brass, or something else?

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#1 ·
I bought this nice old Remington Model 51 that dates to 1923-ish. I bought it this past December so yesterday I took it out to my son's farm and ran 50 rounds thru it, shooting some new old stock factory made ammo from Federal. I fired once and checked the brass case immediately to see if was deformed in any way. Looked good so I went thru the remaining 49 in the box. The pistol performed pretty much flawlessly except once where it didn't eject fully. Afterwards I picked up my brass and immediately noticed that a large proportion had splits in them, over half! Not sure what's up.
This is factory ammo and based on the lot code, I think it was made in 1976. Cartridges looked excellent before firing.
So is this a case of " bad brass", old ammo that may have sat in an abusive environment or a faulty pistol?
I disassembled the pistol this morning and nothing stands out, everything looks normal. Based on external wear and bore condition, I don't think it was fired a lot.
Thanks for your ideas. Pics follow:
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#6 ·
Check chamber dimensions, as stated above. Also try a different ammunition. Back around 1980 I bought a new SAA in .45. Bought a box of Remington 255gr lead ammunition. Several cases split, like yours did, when fired. Was worried it was a bad Colt. Fired the same ammo through a Ruger Blackhawk and a T/C Contender. In both of those firearms, the cases split just like in the Colt. Bought a box of Winchester, same basic load, and never had a problem. Just a thought.
 
#8 ·
So, I gotta ask, most 51 Remingtons are 380. Your not firing a 32 acp in a 380 chamber? Come to think of it, those might fire but I don’t think they would cycle the action. Oops, I just read your barrel and it say 7.65 mm. It’s not that! Yep, just old brittle brass. Switch brands and most likely your issue will go away.
 
#11 ·
Thanks everyone. I bought a whole lot of new made 32 acp Norma ammo about a year ago at precovid pricing so maybe I'll try a box of that in the next few days. I was using my old ammo first but I think I'll jump ahead (last in, first out). If still split cases, then I'll get the chamber dimensions checked.
I'll report back after my next shooting session.
Kim
 
#14 ·
It may be the lighting or the angle but the 4 cases in the first picture look slightly bulged to me. It isn't as noticeable in the 3rd picture but a bulge seems to be there.
It very well might be bad brass but you might also consider a chamber cast.
 
#19 ·
Am wondering why you would check the brass after firing the first round. Did you suspect something? You also mention a farm. Was that ammo kept at a farm - anywhere around a stable? Asking because the Brits found that the ammonia in animal urine caused embrittlement of cartridge brass, leading to many failures. There is a chance, however slight, that the barrel was mis-marked. Mostly, just try a fresh box and let us know.
 
#22 · (Edited)
I usually always check the first fired brass of an old, used gun like this one (99 years old) I acquire just to see if anything quirky going on. That's just me and may be silly to do so. I've been itching to shoot 4 of my old .32acp pistols this week - the Remington Model 51, Colt 1903, Savage 1907 and H&R self loading. Two hiccups so far, the Remington as described here and I broke the firing pin on the H&R which I fired for the first time. I replaced it's firing pin and now it runs fine. I'll clean them up and put them away for another year.
No the ammo is stored at my house, about 15 miles from the "farm".
The lot code on the box I think shows a 1976 date and the Kmart(?) price sticker shows a code of 6-76 which I assume is month-year. I'm pretty confident the ammo was factory made based on who I bought it from.
If the weather cooperates and the rain stops, I'll head out and do another test shoot today with more current ammo.
 
#20 ·
I also suspect those could be reloads put back in a factory ammo box,the brass looks fairly beat up to be old never fired ammo. If it was kept in its original box as new the rims would look a lot better, who knows how many times they have been reloaded. I know I have done exactly that with .41 Mag.
 
#26 ·
Every ammo maker has a bad lot of brass from time to time. Being "Me" I would email Federal with a pic of the brass and see what they do. Even though it is vintage, they might even comp you a box!
 
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#29 ·
Years ago shot a box of Norma .30-30 through a pre-64 Winchester Model 94. The Norma ammo was factory loaded, and about 15 of the 20 rounds split out the neck. Never did it before or after with W-W or Remington ammo, so I suspect a bad lot of brass on the Norma.

Your cases look normal except for the splitting, sometimes in multiple places. I would suspect ammo.