Interesting observation, I'll have to check mine. I wonder if this is because the cylinder has 10 charge holes instead of 6? Thanks for sharing.

 

I have three S&W 617's, one 6 shot and two of them 10 shot, a Ruger GP100 10 shot, a S&W 63 8 shot and a Ruger LCR 8 shot, they don't spin backwards just before latching.

If you look at this thread, he was having the same issue.

New King Cobra cylinder indexing

This may be a dumb question but here goes... New owner of a King Cobra 22. I've been getting used to weight and balance, sighting and (gently, with thumb on hammer) dry firing it. * Hammer cocked for single-action * Fire, with thumb on hammer to gently let it drop * During trigger reset...

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Mine does not do this. Would suggest you buy Ruger's or Smiths.

Some things I just have to see to believe.

 

Are you lightly pulling back on the cylinder as you are cocking it? If yours doesn't rotate backwards just before full cock then there is something different about yours than the ones I received.

 

Disappointing.

 

The last three I examined locally were fine as far as timing, fit, and finish. The bores, forcing cones, bores, chambers, were perfect.

The two I've owned (even the one I sent back for excess endshake) had zero misfires or any timing issues. The current one has an excellent trigger, much lighter than the first. It came directly from Colt.

 

Tried what you suggested by applying light pressure on the left side of the cylinder as I cocked the hammer and no problem it just makes it slightly hard to cock. The fit and timing on mine are perfect and trouble free. My experience with the two I own has been nothing but positive.

 

It's good that you have one made right. I had 4 people at my FFL verify that my 3rd revolver would spin backwards when they lightly pulled back on the cylinder just before full cock. Maybe they put a wrong/defective hand in a few. One thing I thought was strange on this 3rd gun was when the salesman took it out of the plastic bag it was dripping in oil.

 

I just received a new King Cobra 22 replacement, as my original one I bought had a hair scratch and it was a non-Blem item. They sent me a new production one. I can replicate the deal with the cylinder turning back before locking, but I believe this is how the design is. I am not sure this will present as an issue when firing. I intend to take it shooting soon and put many rounds through it. If it turns into an issue after several cylinders full I will post an update.

 

After all my accolades, my KCT broke today. The hammer wouldn’t move to cock on single action or double action. A small broken piece fell out when I removed the grip (heard something rattling).

I’ll be sending it back. It was a brand new replacement from Colt. Very frustrating.

 

Hello Jerry, I am very sorry that happened to your new replacement Gun. Do you have any idea what the part could be? I understand how massively frustrating it has to be for that to happen on a $1000 revolver. What was the issue that caused your first gun to be returned?

 

I haven’t looked at YouTube videos to determine which part yet, but I suspect it’s hammer related, it sheared off like a MIM issue.

The first gun’s cylinder face would hit the forcing cone when pushed forward (uncocked), the total end shake was .007”. I called Colt this morning and got a really nice guy on the phone. He offered to send me a return label but I’m not sure how the local FedEx office deals with individuals shipping handguns. SW was a real pain to deal with on the last return, they wanted to charge me $60 to ship it. It sat at Colt for six months.

I’ll settle down in time…the track record of defects is not encouraging.

 

There has been quality control issue for many decades in the gun industry...just no internet to spread the news back then so any issues were relatively unknown. Gun magazines would rarely if ever discuss them due to fears the gunmaker might pull ads and thus lose revenue.

Colt used to have authorized repair stations around the country for warranty work to be done but they discontinued that and had everything sent back to the factory. I would hazard a guess they had better control over costs that way rather than repair stations charging back for work done not directly supervised by Colt...just a guess. S&W used to do the same. Many gun stores would do repairs and charge companies back...it could be a real mess not knowing repairs were done correctly and the charges were correct.

Back in the "good old days" I had two S&W revolvers and a Colt Detective Special defective that required warranty repairs. The Smith M19 had a defective bolt stop which would tie the gun up...and a M66 that would freeze once it heated up...bad machining on the extractor star from what I was told. Both were repaired under warranty. The Colt Dick Special had the tip of the firing pin break off after not too many rounds. It too was repaired under warranty. There was no internet or gun forums to discuss the issues.

Charter Arms had issues when they first went to sleeved barrels...the sleeve would back out sometimes.

The "good old days"? Not exactly reality in many ways.

 

There has been quality control issue for many decades in the gun industry...just no internet to spread the news back then so any issues were relatively unknown. Gun magazines would rarely if ever discuss them due to fears the gunmaker might pull ads and thus lose revenue.

Colt used to have authorized repair stations around the country for warranty work to be done but they discontinued that and had everything sent back to the factory. I would hazard a guess they had better control over costs that way rather than repair stations charging back for work done not directly supervised by Colt...just a guess. S&W used to do the same. Many gun stores would do repairs and charge companies back...it could be a real mess not knowing repairs were done correctly and the charges were correct.

Back in the "good old days" I had two S&W revolvers and a Colt Detective Special defective that required warranty repairs. The Smith M19 had a defective bolt stop which would tie the gun up...and a M66 that would freeze once it heated up...bad machining on the extractor star from what I was told. Both were repaired under warranty. The Colt Dick Special had the tip of the firing pin break off after not too many rounds. It too was repaired under warranty. There was no internet or gun forums to discuss the issues.

Charter Arms had issues when they first went to sleeved barrels...the sleeve would back out sometimes.

The "good old days"? Not exactly reality in many ways.

Agreed but it’s a bit frustrating waiting for six months on a repair or replacement.

 

FedEx did not ask me what I was shipping when I sent my previous King Cobra to Colt. I packaged it well and put the RMA label on it. It's perfectly legal and it was free shipping both ways. My KC has end shake that is more than my Python, but it doesn't actually touch the barrel if pushed forward, I can still see light in the gap. With the cylinder pushed back the gap is .007, but Colts push and hold the cylinder forward when trigger is back, so I don't know if that gap matters much. Good luck with your gun.

 

I was wrong. I’ve decided to ship it myself, I’ve done it in years past without any problems. The FedEx policy of not allowing shipments from individuals without an FFL started in 2021. Colt has a contract with FedEx so shouldn’t be a problem. A manufacturer’s pre paid shipping label complies with their policy.

I don’t think the end shake is as big of a deal with the new lock work. Most KC’s I have seen had a lot more than a comparable S&W.. Had the cylinder not touched the barrel I’d never have sent it back for repair.

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I had a 1967 S&W Model 17 in pristine condition. After about 5 or 6 cylinders it would start to bind. The cases would not want to eject and it would get bad enough that I would have to tab the ejector with the plastic end of a screw driver to empty the cases. I would also have to help the cylinder turn with my hand after a while. I looked in S&W forums and found posts about tight chambers and having to get them reamed. I decided to sell it and get the new King CObra 22 to replace it. At least I was able to get 10 cylinders full of shooting and no binding on my previous example. I will be shooting this new replacement this weekend.

 

I have one 617 that has a forcing cone that looks unfinished, and the chambers have very faint striations. It shoots so well I’ve been hesitant to send it in.

The KCT has virtually no leading at the forcing cone and cleans up easily.

I just shipped my KCT, no issues at all with FedEx. I found out the hammer has a small hook that holds the link to the mainspring, that’s what broke. Fingers crossed it doesn’t take an extended vacation…

 

A couple years ago I had a brand-new S&W 29, 44 mag. First three shots no problem, next one- click... The cylinder was free spinning. Had that lined up enough to hit the primer but not been centered on the barrel it would've been ugly... The stop spring was broken. I sent it back, took a month to return. I also had a Rock River AR that kept sending the CH back into my face (458 Socom)... Turns out the upper was slightly twisted. They fixed/replaced it too. So it happens everywhere.

 

The problem is lack of skilled labor. The guys that were accomplished armorers of both Colt and S&W revolvers are fewer every year. S&W hasn’t had a revolver armorer’s school in years.

 

The problem is lack of skilled labor. The guys that were accomplished armorers of both Colt and S&W revolvers are fewer every year. S&W hasn’t had a revolver armorer’s school in years.

I still have my Smith Armorer's manual they provided me when I attended Armorers School back in the early '90s. That was before the newer series of S&W revolvers with sleeved barrels, frame mounted firing pins and other changes were introduced. It's been quite some time since I opened up a Smith revolver...I still have the tools for it but no reason to do so.

 

I feel the same way I have 6 Colt's.and wanted one I found one to
Manuel cock the hamer back it travels at least a inch farther then any of my other guns I took back I'll waite