Could someone that has a 1917 lanyard ring measure the stud? the hole in the 1978 frame measures .248

 

No one answered but I need the same part? Anyone.... Crickets????

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

 

Okay - I just checked the Lanyard Stud in my Colt m1917, and...".214" is what I get for the diameter on that.

So, may be the earlier ones were a larger diameter Stud than the m1917 era examples.

 

The Lanyard Loop on the Model 1917 is rectangular - you need a circular one.

The stud may have to be machined - check with Jack First - I think they were making up a few stud and loop assemblies.

You might also try an email to S&S Firearms or Dixie Gun Works - both will often have parts too few to put into their ads.

Good Luck!

 

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Nearly all the examples I see here have a Lanyard Ring/Loop of the same shape as did the m1917.

Some very few have a round one.

May be the round one was used early on...and at some point things changed to the oblong form.

And if so, then as with any other 'change', there was likely a transition period.

 

Give Colt Parts a try, here is a link to the 1878 webpage: Colt 1878 Double Action Revolver

Go to the bottom of the page and get his phone number or e-mail address and make contact. He is a very nice guy!

 

I had emailed earlier in week. He has none.

 

How early or late is your 1878?

 

Don't know yet... waiting on letter.

 

Looks like a large Trigger Guard one to me.

So, this would be what one could call "late" I think.

 

My 1878 44-40 is 1885 vintage. Yours looks like an Alaskan model. Maybe you can get a better idea looking at mine. Sorry, didn't realize the lanyard loop was turned up.

 

Well, yours does look to be the 'Rectangular' Loop...and being "1878" is what I would call "early", so...

Hmmm...

If we want to try and imagine the possibility that Colt was using 'Round' Lanyard Loops initially for the 1878, then, I suppose it is possible your Loop was replaced along the way with the later style.

Might be the London Agency ones installed 'Round' Lanyard Loops?

I know I have seen some with a round Loop, and where it was well done and looked to be original...but till now I never payed attention or thought about it critically.

 

I think the rectangular lanyard was used throughout production. Don Wilkerson's book on the 1878 is what I base my opinion on.

 

I don't have my copy of Wilkerson's book with me, but if my memory serves me correctly, all the lanyard loops were rectangular as "knifeusercollections" stated above. My 1878 manufactured in 1892 was one of only two that year which was manufactured without a lanyard loop installed (no hole drilled in bottom of butt).

 

I sure like the 1878 DAs!

I wish I had one!!

"Someday"...( sigh...)

 

Getting back to the prime issue fort the OP and myself. Where do we find one, saying its the rectangular one?

 

If indeed the 1878s used a larger diameter shank than the m1917 et al, it is possible that most anyone having a orphan rectangular Lanyard Loop laying around, could have one, and not know it.

It would be interesting to find out when Colt decided to go with a smaller shank.

Assuming the measurement we have so far is correct ( for the Lanyard 'Hole' anyway, on an 1878 ), and not a bored-out-larger example which someone improvised something with, along the way.


If you need one also, can you give us a fairly precise measurement of the existing mounting hole on yours?

 

I traded a nice .41 Remington derringer for my 1878 44-40 and never regretted it. I've used for years Ten-X BP ammo since I don't reload and it works great. I've shot it for years with no complaints. I have a photo of me shooting it if i can dig it up. I generally shoot standing on a hill downward at a 3'X3' steel plate that's approximately 75 yards away and love hearing the bullet hit. Every so often I have to spin the cylinder due to the black powder causing it to drag a bit. The revolver is accurate and lots of fun to shoot. Everyone should have one.

If an original lanyard loop can't be found then perhaps you can do what a friend of mine did with his New Service. He substituted a small loop from a rifle sling. It looks excellent and no one can tell.

 

I still have not found a lanyard ring for a 1878, is there any chance someone here could post a photo of one off the gun? Also the length and width and diameter of the loop. I would like to see about making one. I have the gun and machine shop but no lanyard ring. I know its a long shot but sure would help getting the gun back to an appearance of being complete.

 

Maybe this will help getting you headed in the right direction. The first photo is of the loop in my 1902 U.S. Philippine Model. I was unable to measure the stud diameter due to it being in the gun. You will notice a round boss between the loop and the butt of the gun. I have recorded the measurements best I could measure them.

The second photo is of a Colt lanyard ring, but definately not for a 1878 DA since there is no round boss at the butt as seen on the gun photo. The loop measurements are pretty close the same. The big difference between the Colt and the S&W is the shape of the retaining pin groove and the amount of metal at the tip of the shank. I think the loop I have is for an 1892-1903 DA but it could be the same size as the 1917 DA.

Hope this helps some.

 

hwjhfs
That helps a bunch, If you would give me one more measurement on the loop material, it looks like its close to .125 diameter. My gun also has the recess for the boss so I am assuming (dangerously) it would be the same size.
Thanks

 

I will get a measurement later today or this evening...full schedule today!

 

Great ! thanks I now can get started on working on a replacement.

 

got the replacement lanyard ring and stud finished. I am not sure if it is exactly the same size as an original but its got to be close. I scaled it off the photos that hwjhfs sent and used the hole in the but to make the stud and flange. I do apprecate all the help altho it has passed on as a collector version it still looks good, (in my humble opinion). If an original loop shows up I will replace it then. I blued the gun to keep the rust gremlins away until I can figure out what the owner wants to do with it. For those of you that don't know this is how I received the gun in a cigar box.

this is how it looks now

and the lanyard loop and stud

 

Nice job, very few people would be able to tell that it's not an authentic lanyard.

 

Excellent work, and very fast too! Great job. You could probably sell a few of these if you wanted to make a small production run...

 

I got all excited and put this project ahead of a couple of other lathe projects, so when I get them out of the way I will make a couple more. I have learned a lot making this one so the others should be a little easier. It takes a while to set up the mill to do the flats so when I get started I will see how many is worth making. Good idea you had.

 

Rolland - You did a fantastic job making the Lanyard Loop!