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Letting the Trigger Reset before taking the next shot

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Hi,

Excuse please if this has been covered. If so I didn't see it. There is so much commentary on the web and YouTube etc. and i have seen several posts where different revolvers by different manufacturers are inevitably compared. There seems to be a generalized web consensus that with Colt revolvers, and I don't know exactly which ones or which years this applies to, that you have to let the trigger return 100% to the pre-pull position before taking the next shot or you jam the gun and it won't fire again until you clear it. I saw one post where an "expert shot" got off 6 rounds with some S&W in .78 of a second in a 3 inch group at 50 feet, but using a Python he said he had to take his finger completely off the trigger for a fraction of a second to let it completely reset before he could shoot it again, so that increased his time, an issue he didn't have with some of the other manufacturers he tried. Apparently some revolvers don't need to let the trigger return all the way before you can pull it again.

For me it isn't a race, and I haven't had any jams going as fast as I'm comfortable with double action. So this isn't a question that has critical repercussions in my life, but I am curious. It would seem that every gun has it's different features and applications, and the variety becomes almost infinite when you throw in customization. I just wonder if any of you have noticed this aspect of (some?) Colt revolvers and how it has affected your style, especially if you are into speed shooting.

My final take on this is that like any "hobby", or obsession, as the case may be, cars, guitars, guns,..... you get to a point where you just need the capital to get representative pieces of different kinds for whatever your purpose is. And advertising can make it seem that you NEED to have these things in every color of the spectrum. When a class of material objects gets it's addictive claws into you, well, I guess you have to pity the under-financed collector. I can think of a lot of things that would be great to own. Tonight I though how pleasant it'd be to own an old, over 250 years old, large sailing ship converted into a beautiful yacht -home, something I'm sure I could accomplish for a few hundred million USD. But the USA, as we continue to hyperinflate, in a couple years, a new Colt may cost a quarter million USD.

Derailed again. Any thoughts on comparative trigger-cycling? Thanks , ......
 
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The only way I have ever had a revolver jam was when a squib load pushed a bullet into the barrel and not out of the cylinder. As to reset time, Jerry Miculek fired 8 shots in a second, and McGivern was no slowpoke either.
Now THAT is amazing!
With most DA revolvers there's almost no slack in the action when the trigger resets.
With most modern autos, especially guns like the Glock, once the action resets there's enough slack movement forward of the trigger that a shooter can "learn the trigger" and begin the firing pull again without letting the trigger move all the way forward.

In DA revolvers that slack movement is so small it's almost impossible to pull the trigger again until it's all the way forward.
If you try to do a Glock-like non-fully reset trigger pull the action will almost always either jam or rotate the cylinder but not operate the hammer.

People like Miculek often install stronger trigger return springs to speed up the trigger reset.
In the S&W and most other modern revolvers the trigger return spring is a separate spring that can be tuned lighter or heavier.
In the older Colt's and the New Python and Anaconda the return spring also powers the hammer so it's not easily tuned for more or less strength.

Years ago it was thought that a "good trigger" in a revolver was as light a trigger as possible.
This led to miss-firing and failures to reset or short stroking the trigger: ie... failure to allow it to fully reset before pulling it again.
Today we know that a "good trigger" is a SMOOTH trigger.
Actions are best with full strength trigger springs and hammer springs.
If you feel you need a lighter trigger pull, the best option is to practice with the gun to strengthen your trigger finger.

Bottom line is, that most all modern DA revolver require letting the trigger move all the way forward to properly reset the action.
Attempts to do a Glock-like staging of a revolver trigger almost always fail unless you are a Jerry Miculek.
Thanks for the thorough reply. Miculek is astonishing.
I haven't shot all makes of DA revolvers but have shot DA and DAO S&W revolvers in Action Pistol competition for a number of years. All revolvers require an internal reset of the trigger/sear in order to function correctly. It is possible to short-stroke a Smith revolver if you don't allow it to reset. Some may have a longer reset than others depending on action work and the balance between the strength of the spring and the weight of the DA pull.
Thanks for the fast reply I'm still learning and it's a vast field.