[SLD629]

I have been toying with get one, I might need wait a see. I doubt that it will get passed.

 

[Radicalrod]

I bought my first can 32 years ago and have not heard a pep or recieved a christmas card ever

 

[tazaroo]

I wish they'd use this as a vehicle to reopen the class III registry 86 freeze, in the early 2000s I had thought about trying to get an M16A1 but now they are totally out of my reach unless I win the lottery. Even if we return it to the pre-86 situation that would be enough for me.

In 1984 my dad picked up a US Property marked Colt M16A1 and it was $800 out the door including the price of the stamp. He thought that was expensive. 🤣 Those were the days.

 

[Olle]

I have mixed thoughts on this. While it would be great to be able to buy these now without all the hoopla and expense, the same will be true for every cap-pooping thug on every street corner who can’t wait to put them to ‘good’ use. I probably come down on the ‘I hope it gets thru’ side but like every thing else in this life, there will be a ‘trade off’.

Guns are heavily regulated in Europe, but suppressors are surprisingly easy to get. It varies from country to country, but I believe the common rule is that you can buy one over the counter as long as you have a license for the gun it's supposed to go on. You know that they'd ban suppressors immediately if there was even the slightest sign of them being a problem, so (knock on wood) there's obviously no issues at all.

I'm sure the gangstas would love to pose with suppressed guns on the internet, but I doubt the common criminal will find suppressors worthwhile. They may give you a slight advantage in a ninja style assassination, but having a suppressor dangling in front of your pistol only makes it cumbersome to hide, and it won't reduce enough noise to make a huge difference in a crime. Add the price of the suppressor and a threaded barrel, and they become even less attractive to criminals.

And really: Just as with guns, those who want them for nefarious purposes will get them, one way or the other. Laws are only a restriction to those who abide with them.

 

[smutt]

I also subscribe to the idea of the ‘confiscation list’ prospects.

The lists are already out there. If you’ve bought one firearm with a form 4473, had a modern firearm hunting license, you’re on a list somewhere. When, not if, the wrong people come into power you’ll need to make some hard decisions. If they do get rid of all the taxes and regulations on noise regulating devices I’ll be all in.

 

[oberon]

I have mixed thoughts on this. While it would be great to be able to buy these now without all the hoopla and expense, the same will be true for every cap-pooping thug on every street corner who can’t wait to put them to ‘good’ use. I probably come down on the ‘I hope it gets thru’ side but like every thing else in this life, there will be a ‘trade off’.

Thugs are gonna be thugs whether they have inexpensive suppressors or not.
At the moment, thugs are using full-auto Glocks equipped with restricted modifications......ones that can be manufactured anywhere by anyone who is so inclined. Unregulated Class III firearms are all over the place.
Some what is the trade off? Thugs are gonna be thugs. They will not be regulated or controlled. They will not be punished.(Not effectively, anyway.) The most practical approach to dealing with the bad guys, is to allow them to blow each other away. Those who remain after they purge one another can take their chances with the law abiding armed citizenry. There is never a legitimate excuse for restricting the safety and rights of ordinary non-criminal citizens. It is utter foolishness, promoted by people who knows what is better for you than you do.

There are a couple dangerous, deadly, restricted silencers in the pile. There are a couple others that will round out and compliment most of the calibers I like to shoot. A $200 premium on each one is nutty. Pure insanity. Safety equipment ought not be taxed in excess of ordinary sales tax.
Sorry about the rant.
I tend to run off at the keyboard from time to times.

 

[tazaroo]

Thugs are gonna be thugs whether they have inexpensive suppressors or not.
At the moment, thugs are using full-auto Glocks equipped with restricted modifications......ones that can be manufactured anywhere by anyone who is so inclined. Unregulated Class III firearms are all over the place.
Some what is the trade off? Thugs are gonna be thugs. They will not be regulated or controlled. They will not be punished.(Not effectively, anyway.) The most practical approach to dealing with the bad guys, is to allow them to blow each other away. Those who remain after they purge one another can take their chances with the law abiding armed citizenry. There is never a legitimate excuse for restricting the safety and rights of ordinary non-criminal citizens. It is utter foolishness, promoted by people who knows what is better for you than you do.

There are a couple dangerous, deadly, restricted silencers in the pile. There are a couple others that will round out and compliment most of the calibers I like to shoot. A $200 premium on each one is nutty. Pure insanity. Safety equipment ought not be taxed in excess of ordinary sales tax.
Sorry about the rant.
I tend to run off at the keyboard from time to times.

You are correct in your analysis. I currently work (not for much longer) in a LGS that has a diverse clientele. The kind that point at every "black rifle" and say, "that's some Call of Duty s#@t". While they may get a suppressor with the passage of the SHUSH act, I doubt most will have the IQ to get it to function properly with their firearm. Using their minds and being analytical about subsonic vs supersonic ammo, different grain weight projectiles and getting their firearm to cycle properly will be a huge challenge to say the least. I can't imagine trying to explain to them what a Nielsen device is or how it works.

 

[SP1collector]

I really hope this passes.

Suppressors are game changers on all my bolt and single shot rifles.

Anyone on this thread who does not have a suppressor I highly recommend looking into them.

 

[sixguns]

Got my first suppressor about 5 years ago. Wish I had done so 20 years ago. Silly for them to be regulated as they are.

As far as a "list"... No matter what You own that you think the government doesn't know about at this point, they know about it. At a minimum, they've identified you as somebody of special interest.

I would imagine that every visit to this forum, gun broker, guns international, subscription to your favorite YouTube gun channel or any other sort of firearm related forum gets you on a list.

 

[SLD629]

My father worked for the DOD/Space Program from early 50's to the 80's, he always told me "Big Brother is always watching".

 

[CraigC]

Yep, if there is indeed a list and I assume there is, if you've filled out a 4473, you're already on it.

 

[kenhwind]

The only problem I see with this becoming a reality is the fact that some of our politicians cannot stand the idea of giving up any kind of "Control" they have over U.S.

 

[khe sanh]

My father worked for the DOD/Space Program from early 50's to the 80's, he always told me "Big Brother is always watching".

Yep, if there is indeed a list and I assume there is, if you've filled out a 4473, you're already on it.

Bought and took possession of three hand guns from my FFL two years ago. FFL said he has to send a letter to the Sheriff on multiple hand gun purchase within so many days. Iowa law or federal I don't know. One Saturday morning I get a call from the Sheriff telling me my name a phone numbers coming up red all over selling guns. I said I've sold a few the last year he asked how about hand guns and are you doing your paper work.
Now I suspect someone turned me in because of my constant add 'Wanted Guns & Ammo' finally I got tired of his phone call harassment and told him if you have something on me you'd be knocking at my door with a warrant not harassing me over the phone and hung up. Never heard another word from him. He's now retired and a new sheriffs in town.

I'll never pick up more than one gun in the 7 days so it won't generate a letter to the Sheriff. I'm sure that letters still sitting in the Sheriffs office today.
They were three Colt 1911 22LR made by Umerax. One for me and two for my grandsons.

 

[oberon]

Re: khe sahn, #33.
I don't know what the origin of this policy is or was, but I found out about it when I sorta accidentally won 2 auctions the same day. It was one of those things when I was certain that I could not possibly win one of 'em so I bid on another. The pistols arrived at the FFL at nearly the same time. I went there to finish the transfer the following Saturday. I cannot complain. Both were decent model Ms and one was a .380. The local LE required that the transfers were reported in writing. No sweat, really, but nonsense for normal thinking folks. It isn't as if I haven't conducted many transfers through the FFL over the years.
If someone could offer a sensible explanation for this intrusive policy, please do. (operative expression: 'sensible')
If Big Brother has something to shove down your throat or up your rear passage, he will do it. Are we free individual citizens or 'subjects'? Why not address the actual crimes that bad guys are responsible for?
Hmmmmm?.........
Rant over.
My apologies.

 

[desron6]

My local ffl tells everyone who does transfers with them to wait 7 days between handgun purchases as a matter of courtesy.

 

[MarkInTx]

Way back when I had my FFL, I remember it being a requirement that a green card or form be sent to the ATF for anyone who bought X-number of guns within Y-number of days. It seems like was 3 handguns and 2 long guns...but I gave up my FFL right after Waco and have slept since then.

 

[Radicalrod]

Over the years my FFL has done hundreds of multiple purchase forms on me.......never once has anyone ever contacted me.......you must just be lucky.

 

[CraigC]

I do multiple purchases or transfers all the time. I don't know how they would contact you in the first place. There's nowhere on the 4473 for a phone number.

 

[khe sanh]

Over the years my FFL has done hundreds of multiple purchase forms on me.......never once has anyone ever contacted me.......you must just be lucky.

It didn't feel that way the morning he called.

I do multiple purchases or transfers all the time. I don't know how they would contact you in the first place. There's nowhere on the 4473 for a phone number.

A walk about through post #33 has your answer.

Summary of Federal Law

Federal law does not limit the number of guns a person may buy in any given time period. However, federal law does require federal firearm licensees (“FFLs”) to report multiple sales of handguns to ATF and other specified law enforcement agencies.7
This reporting requirement was created to enable law enforcement to “monitor and deter illegal interstate commerce in pistols and revolvers by unlicensed persons,”8 though there is no federal requirement that law enforcement actually investigate illegal trafficking. From 2016–2020, over 5.5 million pistols and revolvers were reported in Multiple Sales Reports.9
In addition, because long guns have become Mexican cartels’ “weapons of choice,”10
in 2011 ATF began requiring FFLs in four states along the Mexican border (Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas) to report multiple sales of certain semiautomatic rifles.11 More specifically, the reporting requirement applies to semiautomatic rifles with a caliber greater than .22 and the ability to accept a detachable magazine.12 FFLs who are dealers or pawnbrokers must report to ATF whenever they sell or transfer two or more such weapons to the same person at one time or during any five consecutive business days.13 From 2016–2020, pursuant to this requirement, ATF received over 40,000 Multiple Sales Reports involving over 95,000 rifles.9
The federal reporting requirements have helped ATF combat gun trafficking. According to the US Department of Justice, “multiple sales reports provide ATF with timely, actionable leads that can enable it to more quickly identify suspected firearms traffickers and disrupt their operations.”14
During the first eight months after the long gun reporting requirement went into effect for four states bordering Mexico, ATF used those reports to initiate 120 investigations and recommended prosecution of more than 100 defendants in 25 separate cases.15

 

[CraigC]

Yeah, I know that but you said he called you on the phone. As I said, there's nowhere there to fill out your phone number and I have never provided it.